Topic: Pall Mall style tumbler!

[peejyweejy]

I have seen the thread on GM about pall mall glasses and wondered what this tumbler is about. It has the same curly pattern as the top of a pall mall glass but no criss crosses. Would also like to know approx. age please and technique used - please!

Thanks

Peejy

[Lustrousstone]

It's a machine etching technique

[peejyweejy]

Thanks Christine.
Peejy

[Frank]

UK term is Acid Etched (or Engraved depending on glassworks), US term Needle etched.

Please do not use the term Pall Mall style!

[flying free]

See Seite 47 von 50 Verrerie de Monthey 1910 catalogue - pattern 123 right hand side of page.  I think this is the same pattern.  No idea if other makers used the same patterns though:

https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2014-3w-01-mb-monthey-1910.pdf

[neilh]

Percival Vickers made up to 30 of these etched sets... some designs like the Greek Key and overlapping circles were very widely done I would say.

[Ekimp]

You can see this pattern in Kutzscher’s Guilloche Machine catalogue, so available to any manufacturer.

https://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Kutzscher-1925-br-Guillochier.324+B6YmFja1BJRD0zMjQmcHJvZHVjdElEPTEyOTUyJnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTMyNCZkZXRhaWw9.0.html

[flying free]

Fascinating to see the design of the actual etching machines.  Thanks.

I wonder how much it cost to buy the machines.

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[Ekimp]

I expect they were fascinating to watch working too. Amazing what they could do without computers.

[kerstinfroberg]

At Brergdala glastekniska museum (Sweden) we have 2 guilloché machines, one of which is a Kutzscher (a Jupiter, we think). Probably they were both used at Kosta - where they actully manufactured Pall Mall some time in the '40ies.

On our youtube channel we have some videos featuring the Kutzscher - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHikfmkaQq24rOFGWt24kjf6B02SBtq9t - the two last clips. They have no sound (but it would probably had been in Swedish anyway...) - butt at least you can see the machine move!

(Let me remind you: first, the glass has to be blown and made "ready-to-drink-from" - it is take to the etching shop, is completely immersed in molten wax. For this machine, they are mounted one at a time, and there would have been several needles mounted in pertinent positions. The glass rotates, the needles rotates, or just go up-and-down depending on which fixtures ("needle holders") are mounted. We took the (very sharp) needles out, as we encourage our visitors to "try" everything...). After someone (unskilled, maybe a 6-y-old?) has turned the glass one one full rotation, the glass is etched in a bath containing hydrofluoric acid sombined with sulphuric acis, and twh pattern is "eaten out" where the acids get at the glass surface.)

You are all welcome to visit, should you ever be in Sweden! If not, welcome to our web site - this link takes yoy to the page about guilloché machines: https://bergdala-glastekniska-museum.se/eng-html/eng-guill.html

Kerstin in Sweden