Topic: French Glass vase with Koi, unknown maker ID = Portieux

[msiscoe]

Hello, can anyone identify the maker of this vase. It is marked on the bottom with circular stamp, and I can make out the word "Port"

Many thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=400103046963&ssPageName=STRK:MEAFB:IT

[Ivo]

Portieux, perhaps?

[msiscoe]

Hello,

Thank you so much. I found the mark is genuine Portieux. Is this vase rare? I can find no reference on the internet>

Best regards.

[Ivo]

Quite uncertain how frequent it is, I certainly have seen it before but never attributed, stamped or signed. Normally large frosted vases from the 1930s ('in the style of Lalique") have either a SN mark on the underside (which may, or may not be Souchon Neuvesel) or were made in Belgium - but there does not seem to be a lot of factual information.

[msiscoe]

Hello, I have seen this vase noted at rlalique.com in the section on fakes. Other than that, I can find nothing in a search of Portieux. This one does have the Portieux mark to the base.

[Ivo]

It says something about the people at Lalique to make disparaging noises about the competition. It certainly is no "fake" - for that to be the case there should be an original and an imitation.
I'd say, go and enjoy the extensive website from Portieux and keep clicking away until you find the catalogues, as well as the items that never made it that far.

http://www.verreriedeportieux.fr/

[chopin-liszt]

 
I think it's lovely, I have seen vases like this before, and had been under the misapprehension they were Bohemian in origin. Thanks for making me reconsider.

  Though I had been wondering if this one was perhaps just a little "shy"...... :24:

[obscurities]

It says something about the people at Lalique to make disparaging noises about the competition. It certainly is no "fake" - for that to be the case there should be an original and an imitation.

It has been discussed here before at great length, that the intention at the website is to simply label it as "Fake" when it is being represented for sale as a piece of authentic Lalique..... I believe a member of their group was involved in the discussion and recommendations were made on how they could correct the mis-impression it gives to simply call it "fake". It was suggested they use text to identify pieces so the correct attribution would appear when the visitor hovered over the picture with a pointer.

It is also not the people at the Lalique company with the website, it is a group of collectors that I do not believe are associated in any way with the "people at Lalique"....  IMHO we certainly do not want to confuse the two groups, or imply anything about the Lalique company that is not correct, such as incorrectly implying that they are disparaging their competition.....

Craig

[msiscoe]

Hello, this vase has been offered at auction with a spurious R Lalique signature. That is how it ended up in the section on fakes at rlalique.com. They do not just pick pieces and call them "Fake Lalique" If this vase comes up for auction with a R Lalique signature, what is it to be called then?

Best regards.

[Mosquito]

If this vase comes up for auction with a R Lalique signature, what is it to be called then?

'Portieux with a fake Lalique mark' would be my suggestion. It is certainly not "Fake Lalique", but then neither are the Barolac, Verlys, Libochovice, Consolidated and other pieces shown on the site in question....