Forgive the egotism, but just to prove that I am getting better (perhaps with a little help from the recent Beeb programmes, and certainly from Mark Hill) - two other pieces from this morning, and they are: 'Large Olives' by Borsk Slo.......and the clear piece is Hermanova 20082 by Frantisek Vizner. I understand both designs are quite common, although I dont recall seeing them over the past couple of years. sorry, not yet cleaned, so forgive the dirt.