Topic: Unsigned Legras??

[Margi]

Another find today on the same stall as the possible Flavio Poli I found this.  I did pay more for it than I usually do but it was calling out Legras.  It is not signed but feels of quality and has a largish polished pontil with outer rings.  It is pate de verre and stands just under 34cm tall.  Yellow and orange smattering cased in clear (well sort of clear).  Is it Legras or similar??
Thanks as always
Margi
PS I think I have seen it in one of my books but for the life cannot see it now but If I do find out of course I shall update.

[keith]

Definite not pate-de verre,looks a bit Bohemian to me,doubt it's Legras,
                                                                               Keith.

[Margi]

It is the same glass as one of my haunts has for sale and they have it also as pate-de-verre.  Definately is not standard crystal or glass what would you call it satinized??  I have seen the same colours etc used will try and pull the image up.  Thanks for thoughts Keith

[Ivo]

Please check your definition for pâte-de-verre. It is powdered glass baked in a mould. It is a very expensive procedure and currently the only producers are Daum and The Grand from Taiwan. I think I mentioned before that French dealers misuse the term constantly to apply to anything semitransparent or semi opaque or anything satinated. Don't pick up the habit (as the bisshop said to the actress). 

I agree that the yellow base with white splitters rolled in is most likely Czech, not Legras.   

[Margi]

Thanks Ivo I consider myself told I have read the definition in one of my books.  May I take this opportunity to say there is no white at all on the vase.  this picture is more a true definition on ebay France 150437929966 I am not saying I trust their attribution this is for colour purposes only as is 350282515076 also ebay France.

[keith]

Had a look at the first ebay item(can't find the other) and that looks Bohemian to me despite the sig'.all the Legras pieces I've seen are signed Legras in full,sorry I can't be of more help,
                                     Keith.

[obscurities]

Legras did use the mark shown on the two examples on ebay. I can not attest to the authenticity of those pieces.

I do not believe the "Leg" mark was used after WWI. I am not 100% sure of this, but the research I have done has indicated that the "Leg." mark was used on enameled pieces when the company was Legras & Cie. After WWI they merged with Pantin Glass Works to form Verreries et Cristalleries de St Denis et Pantin Réunies. At this point I believe they continued to use the full "Legras" signature on some pieces through the 20's & 30's. I am not sure the use of the "Leg," signature continued after the merge, but I do not know for sure.

Attached is an example of the signature on a different style piece that I know to be authentic. The style of enamel work this piece would tend to make me believe they used the mark after WWI, possibly into the late 20's or early 30's, which is what this design strikes me as...

Craig

[Margi]

Thanks for all thoughts it is not a keeps so will pop it on ebay under possible bohemian still a very quality item.

[keith]

Should have asked Craig first :-[shows what I know or don't know! :pb:

[Lustrousstone]

They are not the standard Bohemian yellow and white, as they don't have the almost orange yellow spatters.