Topic: British Deep Cut Wavy Line Vase Keith Murray Webb Stuart?

[BONYTONY]

I would be very grateful for any info on this vase which looks familiar. It's unmarked. Webb Corbett, Webb or Stuart, Stevens & Williams? The cutting is very deep and slightly resembles a decanter now online apparently by Keith Murray for Stevens & Williams. Many thanks. Tony

[BONYTONY]

...Here's a better pic to show the optical effect...

[Bernard C]

Tony — Can't help with the attribution, but I would be grateful if you would step back a pace or two and show us the set-up you used for your final image.

Bernard C. 

[johnphilip]

Hi Tony Irene Stevens did a lot of the heavy cut stuff for Webb Corbbet but there are a few repros appearing now
A piece that size should have wear . regards john   jp  ps our Nigel will know a lot more  :thup:

[BONYTONY]

Tony — Can't help with the attribution, but I would be grateful if you would step back a pace or two and show us the set-up you used for your final image.

Bernard C. 

Hi Bernard -Vase standing on the reverse of a stainless steel Jacobsen Cylinda's Stelton Serving Tray in front of a window glazed with opaque privacy glass with natural daylight behind, no flash or image correction simply "cropping"- you should just make out the window cill. The day outside is grey and wet so the light is soft. I prefer that kind of light for this type of glass. The cam angle picks up the reflection well I think. Cheers! Tony

[BONYTONY]

Hi Tony Irene Stevens did a lot of the heavy cut stuff for Webb Corbbet but there are a few repros appearing now
A piece that size should have wear . regards john   jp  ps our Nigel will know a lot more  :thup:

Hi John... thanks for that. There is wear to the base and a small flea there too also a slight knock just up from the base. There's also a slight white grit deposit in the base. When I bought it  recently in a charity shop the indentations were absolutely filthy with ingrained old dust which cleaned off very well to reveal a gleaming vase. There are some signs of age around the vase or whispers but no scratches so its been well looked after and my guess is that it's 50's rather than 30's. Cheers Tony.

[nigel benson]

Hello,

I would be very surprised if this vase is British and from the 30's or 50's. It has a flat base, not typical of British production in those periods, but possible since the late 1990's.

Thomas Webb would be marked from that period, as would the succesor to Webb Corbett - Royal Doulton. Stuarts would also be marked, and Royal Brierley in my experience.

The ware on the base is quite possible for something as late as I'm suggesting, since the metal is a lead crystal and susceptible to marking. Whilst dirt and muck is a good idicator of some age, it can build up surprisingly quickly given the righty conditions.

Finally, a question that maybe I should have asked before commenting, how crisp is the cutting? If you like, how sharp is the edge to the cut? The images suggest that it has been acid polished to me.

Nigel

Edit: And certainly not Keith Murray, even though he used this cut, wrong shape, wrong finish, no polished pontil.

[BONYTONY]

Hello,

I would be very surprised if this vase is British and from the 30's or 50's. It has a flat base, not typical of British production in those periods, but possible since the late 1990's.

Thomas Webb would be marked from that period, as would the succesor to Webb Corbett - Royal Doultan. Stuarts would also be marked, and Royal Brierley in my experience.

The ware on the base is quite possible for something as late as I'm suggesting, since the metal is a lead crystal and susceptible to marking. Whilst dirt and muck is a good idicator of some age, it can build up surprisingly quickly given the righty conditions.

Finally, a question that maybe I should have asked before commenting, how crisp is the cutting? If you like, how sharp is the edge to the cut? The images suggest that it has been acid polished to me.

Nigel

Edit: And certainly not Keith Murray, even though he used this cut, wrong shape, wrong finish, no polished pontil.

Hi Nigel
Many thanks indeed.

Concerning the flat base that you mention, my pics make it look flat, but I would describe it as curved.The base 'quietly' starts to curve inwards 5mm all the way round from the edge. To illustrate the curve of the base further, a marble positioned on it will gently roll into the middle just off centre. Its very slight and hard to see but worth mentioning hopefully. This 5mm area around the edge I would say is the only true flat surface area and where one finds all the table top scratches. The curve is so subtle but I'm tempted to say there is a pontil which has been polished at the edge, perhaps given the same treatment as the side cutting.

Of further interest maybe, there is a mark in the centre of the base where one can just just see and just feel an 'orange peel' area of about 10mm across.

The rim cutting is sharpish inside and outside. The side cutting has a softer edge reminding me of Rosenthal which was my first hunch, but I would also expect to see an acid etched mark if it were. 

Cheers!
Tony

[Leni]

Could it possibly be Rogaska?  I have a Rogaska bowl with slightly similar cutting, and the slightly concave curved / 'flat' base you describe.  It has no marks, but the remains of a clear plastic label. 

[BONYTONY]

Could it possibly be Rogaska?  I have a Rogaska bowl with slightly similar cutting, and the slightly concave curved / 'flat' base you describe.  It has no marks, but the remains of a clear plastic label. 

Yes certainly a label job and interesting what you say about the base of your Rogaška bowl's curved/flat base. I see what you mean. Getting warmer maybe. Cheers Hopefully someone might recognise it....