Thanks wayne, in the past i have used ebay as reference (big mistake) as it seems that a good portion of sellers put any name to their pieces in the hope that it sells for more money i guess, but now i have recently found this GMB and there is so much to learn, but with all the experts here giving so much valuble knowledge i think this time i might actually start to learn about glass, I have so much glass but with very little knowledge, hopefully in time the GMB will put me right. Many thanks Robert.