Topic: Am I right? ZBS 70039 vase by Miloslav Klinger?

[Anik R]

Hello,
I got this lovely little citrine vase late last week... It's only 12,5cm high, and has got a flat polished base. 
I've identified it (all by myself  ) as a Miloslav Klinger 70039 vase for ZBS, c.1961.  Am I right? 
Thank you.

[astrid]

It certainly looks like ZBS Klinger to me - colour is right as well... but Anik, I'm interested to know where you found the pattern number. I have a few, but not a comprehensive list and I can always use more sources...

Astrid

[Anik R]

Hi Astrid,
I agree, the form and colour are right for ZBS and for Klinger.  My pattern number, however, is questionable.  You see, from May (ever since I found out that I've got a Vizner 7541/12 vase) I've been keeping notebooks on Czech glass.  I take note of everything I see and read about pieces I like, make a drawing and write a description.  Unfortunately I don't have any artistic talent so I'm not always sure that what I drew is really the piece I've found. Also, though I'm organized in every other way, my notebooks are not.  I've failed to take note of where I've seen certain pieces and where the attribution comes from...  I know, not good. :spls:   

[astrid]

Anik, you sound more organised than I am... I buy books, I save links, but I haven't found a system to organise what I have and know very well... If I see something that triggers "Hey, I've seen something like that before, now where was it...", it can still take a lot of time to actually find it. The only consolation is that I'm now getting better at guessing country of origin, so I have a better chance looking in the right place, that is, that I should be consulting my books on Czech or my online links on German for instance.

And I have no sketching talent at all, so your option wouldn't be available . Maybe you can scan your sketches and order them online in some way?

Good luck, Astrid

[Anik R]

Astrid, I really don't think scanning my drawings is a good idea -- I've got no artistic talent whatsoever, plus I don't exactly have a history of being right with my attributions. 

To prove my point, the vase I've posted in this thread is (or at least I think it is) the third vase from the top in my notes...  :24:

[Anik R]

I believe my attribution is correct...  I've been browsing through Jindrich's website http://www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo and found this vase in the 1961/3 Glasrevue (thank you, Jindrich, for making the Glasrevue available!!!).  It is ZBS pattern number 70019, though there is no mention of the designer.  There is also no mention of height and possible other sizes.  Considering that Mark Hill attributes Miloslav Klinger to the vases on pages 46 to 49 in Hi Sklo Lo Sklo, and mentions that Klinger was key designer for the glassworks, I think it's safe to assume this vase is also one of his designs.  As for the 1961 -- I suppose it is possible that the vase was designed and produced earlier, although I don't believe there is any way of knowing.

I'm feeling very clever.

[Jindra8526]

Hi Anik,
your effort is amasing. Your vase looks like ZBS and hence use to be attributed Miloslav Klinger. To search pfor pattern numbers is not efficient until we will discover original ZBS patern books.

To map ZBS is quite difficult task, the factory had run until 2008 so many old designs had been reproduced in slight modification.
I have seen also ZBS designs (Janku's dolphins) in show room of AGS - Svoboda in Karlov. I had asked him and Mr. Svoboda has confirmed to me that he simply has produced patterns that market in Prague required without care about authors or patterns. This is valid for many "hutni sklo: - free hand formed glass in country. So it will cost us some effort to sort it correctly.

But I have two good news,
Show and pattern room from bancrupted ZBS was sold to known collegue - glass collector - so information are saved.

I start to place all scanned Glasrevues (the parts of journals relevant for glass - no pottery and politics) from 1956 to 1992 to my web.
Some individal pieces that are not there I simply have not found yet. It is in German language, the English version of Glass review I havd not available for the moment.

So go to the www.webareal/ceskoslovenskesklo - LH top - Glasrevue and brows the magic world of Czechoslovakian glass.

Please do not take everzthing printed in CGR as a law, there are some mistakes there as well.

JIndrich
www.webareal.cy/ceskoslovenskesklo

[Jindra8526]

Switching between Czech and English keyboard makes me some problems.
Thank you Anik, I will fill more there today.

If anybody have a copy of any CGR in any language, please send me the scan, I would like to built serious non-commercial library of Czechoslovakian glass resources.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo

[Anik R]

... To search pfor pattern numbers is not efficient until we will discover original ZBS patern books.

... Please do not take everzthing printed in CGR as a law, there are some mistakes there as well.

 :usd:  Ah, Jindrich, you've broken my heart... and here I was, very pleased and impressed with myself.  That certainly didn't last long. 

On the other hand, it's important to know that there may be errors in the Glasrevue -- it's something that I did not realise or even question.  Now I know better.  Jindrich, thank you again for making the Glasrevue available on your website!  Many of us are extremely grateful for this and very excited.  :kissy:

[Jindra8526]

Anik, you probably will understand the Czech sentence "více očí více vidí"

In English it is: "more eyes can see more"

I suppose that together we have much more chances to identify many up to now unknown pieces.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo