Topic: Art Deco green vase red 'flame' splotches - Schneider

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I just checked back and I've been researching this vase since Stephen posted it in 2010. So 15 years.  I can't thank you enough.

I also found a link to the one with the turnover rim (signed SCHNEIDER) although all others I've linked to have disappeared unfortunately:
http://ancientpoint.com/inf/93475-french_cameo_glass_art_deco_vase_schneider_mushroom_red_green_france_paris.html

It doesn't appear in the Stefania Zelasko page linked picture but it's the same decor as mine.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cqwAAOSwp95oD5et/s-l1600.webp

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and adding this one for interest.  Its hard to see if the rim is cut rather than firepolished but this shape does not appear in the WMF book (Burschel/Scheiffele). 
The interest is in the beehive foot/bottom half of the vase.  It seems to be a device used in the Vineta-Kristall range from Josephinenhutte:
https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/index/4051-wmf-wurttembergische-metallwarenfabrik-glass-makers/

The decor is a different effect to mine and some of those in the page from the Zelasko book. The similarity is in the colours and the beehive device.

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Information here on the Pfohl famiy.

Erwin Pfohl :
https://www.pfohl-glaeser.com/familientradition

Part quote
'In 1929, he worked as a designer for the Josephinenhütte (Josephinenhütte), then as a lighting consultant for the Reich company in Berlin, and subsequently as a painter and designer for the Rachmann brothers in Haida. In 1939, he succeeded his father in the glass-painting workshop and assumed responsibility for the 15 painters employed in his father's glass-making business'.

I don't have the Stefania Zelasko book unfortunately.  If anyone does I'd be grateful to know whether there is any other information on this Vineto-Kristall range 


Greg I see what you mean about the colour comment.  I've cut and pasted them side by side with the book photograph and mine looks to be the same colour as the mid green one top row second in from right.

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[Greg.]

I did also wonder if your example had a similar colouring to the piece you refer to in the book photograph.

Your example also seems to show similar type bubbles to the eBay vase looking closely.

Nice to finally know who made these as they are interesting pieces.

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This is the link to the one I meant to paste - blue with red and the beehive foot - curious design and not in WMF book:
https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/1410987-wmf-ikora-blue-and-red-bubble-glass-vase-circa-1930-20-cm-high/

Mine has similar bubbles to the ebay one and the striped effect. I wonder how they achieved that?  Some form of picking colour up on a ribbed mold? or blowing into a ribbed mold and then casing perhaps?

I can't recall seeing any of the other pieces in the Zelasko book except for one maybe, the white one with browny splotches on the left of the picture.  I think I've seen that somewhere.

OOH look here - a good photograph of pieces from the Vineta-Kristall range from Josephinenhutte from the George Eastman Museum:

https://collections.eastman.org/objects/26986/arrangement-of-vineta-kristall-josephinenhutte-ag-in-seles;jsessionid=BD57D9CA1EC595889D03DE3C1AFB31CE?ctx=45d0c406-f2bf-4c0c-bd6a-0d8d66506713&idx=22

What is amazing is that the photograph is dated c. 1925. 

Source: Photograph taken of a collection of Vineta-Kristall Josephinenhutte by Dr Arthur Traube.
Some information about Dr Arthur Traube here - b. Berlin March 8th 1878. Died 1948:
https://www.nytimes.com/1948/07/17/archives/dr-arthur-traube-i.html

Now you can see that the dekor on mine is the same green colour and dekor as the vase at the back and the bowl at the front    I'm so excited to finally have an identification!

Of interest re comparing competitors - The history of WMF is here:  Shows glass making starting 1883-
https://aboutwmf.com/en/history/
I think the Ikora range was launched in the 1920s - there are catalogue photographs in the book from 1928.

btw I have come across another piece purporting to be from the Vineta-Kristall range.   The dekor is nothing like my vase as far as I can see.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ekMAAOSw99Zm~pvm/s-l1600.webp
My vase, and I think all the other pieces, has a pontil mark and  a firepolished rim.
However there is some information on this piece? I think? here:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/81417-unsung-heroes-of-glass-2-erwin-pfohl

I am certain though that my vase is exactly the same as, and  from the range photographed by Dr Arthur Traube as shown in my link above from the George Eastman Museum.

Curious then - the piece referred to in the ebay listing  was translated as
'A specimen is also located in the Passau Glass Museum in Germany. This is the only example of this series we have ever seen outside of a museum.'
Is it possible the one in the Passau is not from the Vineta-Kristall Josephinehutte range?  I'm absolutely certain mine is and likewise the green one on ebay.   
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A repeat link to the Dr Arthur Traube photograph of the Vineta-Kristall , Josephinenhutte collection c. 1925 and also to information about the Eastman Museum which holds the photograph:
https://www.eastman.org/louis-walton-sipleyamerican-museum-photography-collection


https://collections.eastman.org/objects/26986/arrangement-of-vineta-kristall-josephinenhutte-ag-in-seles;jsessionid=BD57D9CA1EC595889D03DE3C1AFB31CE?ctx=45d0c406-f2bf-4c0c-bd6a-0d8d66506713&idx=22

And Steven, Greg, thank you so much for persevering and remembering this vase.  I'd never have found this on my own. Your help is much appreciated.

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The Dr Arthur Traube photograph is a great spot, interesting to see a few other examples from the range.

I suspect the difficulty in seeing other examples from the range may be to do with the fact that many have been misattributed in the past. I wonder how many were produced in comparison to WMF Ikora.

The WMF Ikora and Josephinenhutte Vineta-Kristall dates are interesting, also stylistically not that dissimilar to some Monart production of the same period.

Nice to finally know about these pieces.

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https://www.glasmuseum.de/en/buchbestellung/translate-to-english-josephinenhuette-1900-1950-band-ii/#lightbox[468]-2

https://www.glasmuseum.de/fileadmin/_processed_/a/0/csm_Josephinenh%C3%BCtte_2_-_2009_-_03_9b07e17c90.jpg

I think from Josephinenhutte 1900-1950 Band II - see bottom of left hand page, right hand column:

Some information here (can't read page number clearly enough - so apologies)  that discusses the range Vineta-Kristall in connection with 'Erwin' and in  the same sentence as referring to 1928 and A Pfohl's departure from Josephinenhutte.  So possibly that photograph from Dr Arthur Traube  dated c.1925 is more likely dated to later 1920s?
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Translating the information printed there describing the Vineta-Kristall range and using Google translate (very hard to enlarge to read script clearly though!) it appears to say:
'Consisting of numerous colored shapes, melted with flakes and filigree ribbons. This is a mass-colored crystal that, thanks to a special process, imparts seemingly random coloring.'

Quote in German - apologies if incorrect but it is very hard to read:
"bestehende aus farbigen, zahlreichen formen mit Krösel einschmelzen und band filigran. Es handelt sich hierbei um ein in der Masse gefarbtes Kristall dem ein besonderes Verfahren scheinbar regellose Farbwerkungen verleiht"

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Ta daaah - I think this is the vase I saw identified as WMF in the DK Miller's Art Deco book -

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91UuFyCAYSL._SL1500_.jpg

That page appears in MILLER'S ANTIQUES ENCYCLOPEDIA Hardcover – 3 October 2017
by Judith Miller (Editor)
But I saw it in the Art Deco DK book I believe.

It's the same as a vase in the Josephinenhutte book illustration:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cqwAAOSwp95oD5et/s-l1600.webp

So I was right about it being the same maker as mine - phew