Topic: cameo glass lamp identification

[Cathy B]

Hello Serafin and welcome to the board.

There's no need to start a new thread - it's best to just add a reply to your old thread, to keep any information together. By the time you've read this I'll have merged the two threads together.

Hopefully someone can help you with your cameo pieces.

[Mike M]

Hi

Really nice decorative pieces

If you hadn't said they have been in your family since 1920s I would have guessed they were relatively recent ie 1970s onwards

If they are 1920s or earlier they you've got me stumped, very few quality cameo makers of that period left pieces completely unsigned.

As period pieces pretty sure they are not French, German, nor Bohemian -nor British

Perhaps someone was doing this work in Spain or maybe they are American -not areas I know

Can I ask two (and a half) extra questions

The pictures show a lot of cameo work -can you see any wheel work -that would look like fine detail lines cut into the surface layers?

Also the blue 'skirt' on the big lamp is odd -can you tell if there was once an entire layer of blue that has been mostly removed for the inside or has it been added another way? -If it's removed from inside can you feel any kind of ridge behind with your fingers between where the blue is present and missing?

hope that makes sense
sorry I can be more help

Mike

[chopin-liszt]

I had wondered if they might be by some "lost" Spanish glassmakers - after all, the Ysarts who started Monart in Scotland were Spanish, though I know they were with Schnieder for a while... not sure of the full history myself.

[serafin]

thankyou Mike,i will take a good look and try to answer your questions today.

Mod: Reference to Galle image, and the image itself (a personal copy of an internet image) removed. No URL was available.

[Mike M]

Mod: references to comparison with a Galle vase have been left in this post as they give good pointers to differences. But the Galle image has been removed (see above).

Hi

yes there are definite similarities - but I think only in the way that almost all post 1900 Cameo glass harks back to Galle.

The way the background green has been removed is quite different in the Galle to your pieces.

Also the Galle has a lot of texture on the top surface - done by wheel cutting and fine acid work - on your pieces the top surface appears flat

Also on your pieces the top most surface appears iridised -not something ever done by Galle (he fire polished but I've never seen a iridised example) -other people did iridise their cameo -some bohemian and even Legras - but not quite the same way.

looking forward to you answers

cheers

Mike

[serafin]

Thankyou Mike,i am not familiar with wheel or acid work, so i am not sure what kind of work is in my lamps,i can not feel any kind of ridge behind with my fingers between where the blue is present and missing,it looks like is vanish away.also you are wright ,on my pieces the top surface is flat.i will try to take a close up picture from my lamp and up luoded,thankyou very much.

[Mike M]

Hi

Well I'm stumped -if there had been a ridge where the blue was removed I would have said it was almost certainly modern -a smooth transition is better -not necessarily great - but better.

Maybe there was someone in Spain copying the Galle style pre WW2 -the image is good and Galle-esque, but its mostly simple acid cut cameo no extra finishing work -the colorway and shapes are unknown to me - when comparing it to any of the pre war cameo houses.

oh I do love a good puzzle!

sorry I can't help much more

regards
Mike 

[serafin]

Finally,i found out who made my lamps,it was Josef Riedel from Austria,circa 1900.
I dont know how much they worth,maybe some one on the board know more about Josef Riedel.
Thanks.

[Mike M]

Yes - yes - of course how very silly of me

They could well be Riedel and then it would be 1900-1910

just about everything fits (colour, image, lack of signature etc)-quite a rarity

Riedel lamps turn up occasionally, but they are usually quite boring 2 colour florals.

Whereas these looks exceptional -lucky you!

PS I will be off line for a bit -so if you ask more questions apologies for a long delay