Topic: Cut Glass Rose Bowl - Maker? Date?

[Leni]

I bought this cut glass rose bowl at the National last Sunday.  I have searched it for any sign of a mark, but there is a fair amount of wear on the base, so if it had an acid etched mark it could well be worn away.  It's quite large and heavy - 7 inches (18cm) tall by 8 inches (20cm) wide - and the cutting is fairly deep, particularly the 'step' cutting round the shoulder and foot, and the 'swags'.  Does anyone recognise the pattern or have any idea of the age?  Thanks 

[Leni]

Ahem ... I know a lot of people here aren't greatly moved by cut glass, but may I move this up the board again just in case someone who is missed it?  Thanks 

[chopin-liszt]

I'm sure this piece has to be by somebody very good - but as you know, I'm not good with cut stuff!

I found a couple of little tumblers last week, marked Webb (Webb alone). The mark is a nightmare to find or read! Just a little wear would have obliterated it completely. Even when I pointed it out to folk, they couldn't see it.

[Leni]

The mark is a nightmare to find or read! Just a little wear would have obliterated it completely. Even when I pointed it out to folk, they couldn't see it.

Yeah, I've got stuff marked like that, Sue    I was sort of hoping someone might recognise the style or shape or cutting, or something ....  so I might have an idea where to start!  :spls:

[chopin-liszt]

It's not quite completely "traditional", but neither is it completely "art cut", the shape is unusual, so is the star cutting on the base - I'd have thought it might suggest something to somebody!

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[Paul S.]

think I'm only going to make it worse Leni     Deep cutting can often create 'brilliant cut' - but think this design too simple for that.  Could take your pick from Walsh, S & W, or perhaps Stuart  -  but seems it's the shape that is a problem..........looking through the Walsh pattern books, there is almost nothing like this rose bowl with a top that 'goes back in' to quite this extent - so stumped really - also, occurs to me this could be a difficult piece to make.      Triangular segments with this sort of strawberry diamonds/cross hatching, plus the row of arcaded panels around the top, probably pre-date the more common designs of extensive geometric deep mitre cutting of the period 1925 - 1950 ish -of which there are shed loads of pieces lying in every bric-a-brac shop in the world - and which no one now wants.   This is good, and I'm going to plump for 1900 - 1920 - although may possibly not be English.     Sorry it doesn't really help.

[Trebor]

Hi Leni the style look`s 1920-30 artdeco .It`s a nice piece i like cut glass it`s honest. :mrgreen:

[Leni]

Thank you, Paul and Robert (and Sue!  ) for your comments. 

I was intrigued by the shape of this bowl, with the 'turned in' top, and have not seen anything quite like it.  I agree the cutting is too simple for 'brilliant', and although the edges of the deeper cuts round the shoulder and the 'swags' are quite sharp, the 'cross-hatching' is not sharp, so it was obviously acid-polished after cutting.  I think it has a feeling of around the 1930's design wise, but, while interesting, it's not what you'd really call adventurous. 

Please can anyone advise me on which resources, either books or on the internet, I should look at to learn more about cut glass?  Thanks again   

[singingyamada]

what did the seller say about it.  BTW tis Beeeautiful.  And you have done well in your phtography. :smg:

[Paul S.]

I'm going to disagree with robert (very nicely, of course) - and say that I think the flowing/curved lines of the swags suggest a more pre deco style - thus maintaining my original thoughts of pre 1920, supported, maybe, by the "fair amount of wear".         However, that is simply a personal opinion, and may have nothing to do with the truth      Re the question regarding a good tome on cut glass  -  sorry can't really think of anything specific............there are bits and bobs all over the show...........you have the Walsh book (forgotten the author for the moment) - there is some in Hajdamach, but have just had a quick look on Abe and there seems to be a good selection  -  obviously none of which I possess