Topic: Blue 'shouldered' vase with bubbles

[glassobsessed]

I keep thinking I have seen this vase somewhere before and maybe it's German.

24cm tall with a ground and polished rim, the base has a few gentle ripples in concentric circles (they don't show up in the following photo) and a few little indentations on the edge.

I thought the narrow bit was too high for it to be 'waisted' so it's shouldered instead.

Nice bubbles too.

Anyone recognise it?

John

[dirk.]

Hi John
Think it´s an Ingridglas version of the oxide and bubbles inclusion theme, but I´m not
100% sure. Colour and shape were certainly used by them though. 

[astrid]

If Dirk thinks it's Ingrid Glas, I have an example in my collection of them using this particular design, but I don't know which original designer made that shape. The original shape is from the 50s-60s, but was later on widely used by several factories in Germany. I think it was probably by someone like Wagenfeld or Baumann.

The technique might have been invented and used separately regardless of shape.

Astrid

[glassobsessed]

Thank you both for having a look, I like an Ingrid Glas attribution even if it is not 100% certain yet.

It makes me feel like I know what I am doing.

 

John

[glassobsessed]

This is the closest in shape I have found so far, though it is a little taller but it does have a rim ground in the same profile (with bevel/ariss on the outer edge).

Link here.

[dirk.]

Personally I simply call them double cone vases, not sure wether there´s something like an offical
name for this design or not.
Generally they are rather hard to pin down since many german glassworks had something similar
within their range.
They simply vary by their width, the angle of the two halves and the point where they meet.
Friedrich, Zwiesel, WMF, Füger & Taube, Marsberger Glas, Hirschberg  and surely others as well made
single coloured examples:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/MarsbergerGlasRitzenhoff#5598314886786354818
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/WMF#5595151824199514434
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/Zwiesel#5591443575617946226
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/FugerTaube#5589208179613880082
http://www.glaskilian.de/Vase-Schott-in-Zwiesel-um-1960.492+B6YmFja1BJRD00OTImcHJvZHVjdElEPTk4OTAmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9NDkyJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
The picture I´ve attached shows a Hirschberg vase. There must be a Friedrich vase in one of my boxes,
whose shape is almost identical with the Zwiesel one, but unfortunately I´ve lost the picture of it...
Then there´s cased examples, which I´ve so far only seen from Gralglas (Habermeier) and Ingrid.
Sorry no picture of a Habermeier vase available - for those, who have the Gralglas book: shape F112
and shape F196 (two versions). The latter are cased ones for sure, but the diameter of the waist is
only slightly smaller than their base and top. Since they were meant to ´speak by their shape´ I tend
to assume the 50´s Habermeier shapes weren´t decorated with inclusions and bubbles, which seems
a later decoration technique anyway. Just a hunch though...
Two different Ingrid shapes are these:
http://www.glaskilian.de/UEberfangglasvase-Ingridhuette.633+B6YmFja1BJRD02MzMmcHJvZHVjdElEPTEyMDU1JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTYzMyZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
http://cgi.ebay.de/Vase-Ingrid-Glas-nilgrun-/190541436948?pt=DE_Haus_Garten_Dekoration_Blumen%C3%BCbert%C3%B6pfe_Vasen&hash=item2c5d279814
The bubbles on your vase are rather regularly small, so I´d say Ingrid rather than Friedrich,
Zwiesel, Gral or Hessenglas.
The moral of the story? It´s a minefield - like always!!!    :ho:

[rocco]

I am quite sure I saw a very similar vase (regarding bubbles and colour) with a "Friedrich Glas" label recently...

edit: cross posting with dirk
So if he says most probably not Friedrich he is surely right!

edit2: This shape was certainly used a lot in the 1950s and 60s -- I saw a vase yesterday very similar to this one in Dirk's unknown section: https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/Unbekannt#5591435372356189122 with a label "Ryd Sweden"...

Michael

[glassobsessed]

Double cone sounds good to me Dirk, again, thank you both for your input here.

Here was me thinking that this would be straightforward, simple and quick, just like all attributions are. :24:

John

[glassobsessed]

Back to the shape of the original vase, similar proportions but different heights (Ingridglas vases with labels):
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Ingrid-Vase-Kristall-Glas-Kristalleis-braun-19-5-cm-60er-70er-Jahre-/161049901013?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item257f5277d5
and
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Blumenvase-Vase-aus-Glas-Ingridglas-Ingrid-Glas-/171415189022?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item27e924361e

And another but this time a cylinder 25cm tall, cut and polished rim with bevels inside and out.

[chopin-liszt]

 
I've learned a lot here, thanks to all for the info.
I'd have assumed "Schott Zwiesel" and that would have been that.