Topic: Help ID Lamp

[Frank]

Well done, keep hunting might be something on the other piece. This might just be a mould number but could prove useful at some point, it does confirm the metal is bronze.

[serafin]

Thanks Frank,i think the casting on the globe is cooper,and the parts for hanging are bronze,i also think that the number 3 is for matching the lamp when you opened and then closed because it has two number 3 one in each half of the lamp,unfortunately i couldn't find another mark on the lamp.

[Frank]

It is probably all bronze, it was normal to copper plate and patinate (c1900s-30s). The hanging has had this polished off at some point, possibly due to it become unsightly, but it can be restored.

[Frank]

I did eventually find someone who used the back tiling approach used in your lamp, Tiffany, but it would seem not very often and always marked Tiffany Studios. One example I found an image of was also using opalescent glass but the metal 'frame' was made with bronze wire and not cast. I should imagine that the sheer cost of producing in this way would deter many. I would suggest that your lamp is thus inspired by Tiffany but made by someone else who deliberately added no foundry marks. While I am still thinking US origin I would be open to it having been made elsewhere.

I suggest that you send a few pictures to one or more of the major US auction houses that specialise in Tiffany as one of these may well have crossed their paths before. Were it Tiffany and with of course the extra quality it would have had a value of over $20,000 in the 1980s - yours will obviously be worth a lot less but at least you can dream of if it had that stamp on it 

If you get any news please let us know. I will look in my lighting catalogues when I can get to them and see if I can find it or similar.

[serafin]

Thanks Frank,i will send some pictures to auction houses,IL let you now if something came up.I appreciate everything you've done for me.

[serafin]

Hello Frank,i send some pictures to an expert on tiffany lamps and they told me this.
The differences in your lamp and an authentic Tiffany Studios lamp include all of the following: Wrong designs that Tiffany never used, wrong type of glass, wrong shape of the shade and no markings or incorrect markings or signatures. As you can see on my web site, all authentic Tiffany Studios lamps are signed. It will say "TIFFANY STUDIOS NEW YORK" with a  number if the shade is leaded.........
We have to keep searching Frank,maybe some day we found out ho made this lamp.Thank you.

[Frank]

Try some more and tell them first you know it is not Tiffany,,,

[Ohio]

I posted a second follow-up reply to Frank on a U.S. board, but I know he's busy & might not have seen it. Closest I could come was my wife mentioning we had seen somthing very similar about 7-8 years ago we went through an period of design home just 3 miles from us & wife pointed out (and after she did I then remembered) that there were three of this type of hanging globe caged glass fixtures (very close in design to the one shown)in the home & it was largely untouched from its completion in 1909. Style was Morroccan & all 15 of the wall sconces according to the brochure were Quezal, but neither of us recall any info on the hanging globes, but that may be another possibility. Ken

[serafin]

update

[Frank]

One day it will find a maker, there cannot be many about but it is not a one-off either.