Topic: Terminology... Hot-worked "*&@!

[Frank]

Who came up with the meaningless "Hot-worked" which seems to be being used by so many people recently?

It is not a very helpful term as all glass is hot-worked and cold-worked after cooling.

 :huh:

[rosieposie]

Hi Frank.....for me,  the term 'Hot Worked' came from this board.

I always described my glass animals as 'Hand Blown', and was corrected by a member who said that the correct terminology was 'Hot Worked'. unless they were hollow.

It was a while ago now, so I can't remember who it was,  but it was certainly someone who's opinion I respected enough to change my terminology, and had I been asked to say who I thought it might have been, I might even have suggested it was someone like yourself,  knowledgeable in the making of glass animals. 

[Frank]

Hand-shaped might be more descriptive but the rem is not being applied just to figural shaped glass. Busily search threads where I might have coined the term.... 

[Wayne]

From Wikipedia:

Hot worked glass

Hot working is the manipulation of the glass, with tools such as pincers and shears, to shape it while the glass is in its plastic state. The glass may be pulled, pinched, cut or cropped, and swung. It is usually used in conjunction with glassblowing.

On a smaller scale, lampworking is the working of hot glass at a bench, over a fixed burner. It is used for scientific glassworking, lampworking for art glass and beadworking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_glass

Of course, being Wikipedia, that could have been edited by someone from this board.  :huh:

[Lustrousstone]

It might have been me who said that to Rosie but I didn't invent it. It certainly appears here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_glass#Hot_worked_glass in the context I meant it. Overlap with Wayne

[Frank]

Not too impressed by that page or the definition given there. I have scoured glass industry glossaries and the term does not appear. All the references seem to be collector books - so likely a collector invention.

I can accept hot-worked being used to describe a process in the context of a description of a process but not to describe a piece of glass which is how it is being used quite often.

Also followed up the following term Warm Glass on Wikipee and that traces back to an authors web-site and selling a book called Contemporary Warm Glass... hmmm are we seeing commercial manipulation of language

[Anik R]

 Mark Hill in Hi Sklo Lo Sklo.

[rosieposie]

We mustn't get too pedantic here,  if it says what it means, then it probably means what it says.
You can't shape or mould cold glass, and you certainly can't work hot glass with your bare hands.

Wherever Wiki got its wording from,  it was a wise and knowledgeable glass person.

It is an easily understood term, and even if it has been 'coined',  does that matter?  After all words and word usage are being 'coined' all the time, and as long as we know what it means, that will do for me!

So, my little glass animals are hot worked or mouth blown and hand worked,  unless of course they have been made in a mould,  in which case, they are Moulded!! 

Simples!

[Lustrousstone]

Work (with obj. and adverbial or complement): bring (a material or mixture) to a desired state or consistency by hammering, kneading, or some other method

[Frank]

Wherever Wiki got its wording from,  it was a wise and knowledgeable glass person.

Eek! Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with a connection to the internet. There are plenty of marketing companies that spend lots of time weaving their clients brands into Wikipedia. (Google for Wikipedia marketing and you will get millions of hits.) Not all parts of Wikipedia are actively moderated and glass certainly seems to lack good oversight. At the simplest level people intelligently insert a sentence into a page that fits the subject and give their own site or book as a citation. There is a system for objection and parts of entries or whole entries get pulled for review, particularly the science, political and language topics, if you land on a pulled page you find a link to and can join in the discussion. Some of these turn into huge discussions and sometimes arguments as people compete to get their perspective published. There are enthusiasts whose hobby is writing Wikipedia entries and the bulk of Wikipedia is their work. The biggest problem is that some people change entries by others to their own version of events and if the original author does not notice this can and does lead to gross errors and misinformation. Glass entries are riddled with errors and stuff I have corrected in the past, not all, has been subsequently reverted to the error. I do not have the time nor inclination to do Wikipedia - but it could certainly do with more glass people working on it and raising objections to marketing entries, repeated misinformation, etcetera. It is a great and useful resource but you do have to treat EVERY entry with great care. It is not words of wisdom but a free for all with peer review.