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Author Topic: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?  (Read 1978 times)

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Re: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 10:47:57 PM »
Unlikely as the size was standardized in the late 1800s - it was a monopoly, by the time that expired no-one could change the standard. Gas shades can be a different size.

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Re: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 11:08:44 PM »
ok,thanks. It doesn't have a flare at the rim so it wasn't meant to sit in a metal rim with screws into it.  It was obviously meant to sit in a straight screw on fitting.  If it was newish, who would be making glass with this kind of crimped rim recently?  Wouldn't it have been a long process to do that finish and that rim?  Does that fit with more recent production methods?
found a fab site if anyone wants to browse through beautiful lighting  :sun:
http://www.jonesantiquelighting.com/ceiling-lights-c-22.html?page=34&sort=2a
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Re: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 11:19:04 PM »
At that time I dealt and studied lighting, I was shocked at the shades I saw in Paris as there was little to distinguish them from older ones other than the bar-code labels. But bear in mind I was not very well versed on glass at that time so I could not say what would be distinguishing characteristics. Not hard to make if you can get a machine to do it.

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Re: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2012, 10:32:11 PM »
just coming back to this as I was looking for my vase and came across a possibly interesting article.
I am pretty sure this lampshade is an old one and whilst I can't now find my reference, I did come across a bowl with this or very similar edges - can't find it again at the moment, but I think it was plain glass, same edging.
Anyway, this article (linked below) states that:
- most early pieces of overshot glass were clear,
- American overshot glass was never made with the blending of colors such as amberina and that this blending was done in  England
- all of the colored overshot glass (but not the blending of colours overshot) was done in Czechoslovakia -
the source is 'Stan and Arlene Weitman article Overshot Glass'

http://www.oldandsold.com/articles/article021.shtml
So on this basis my lampshade (blended lemon-green and clear) would be English - I'm not sure I'm totally convinced of that though.
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Re: Overshot lampshade - thought possibly Harrach or Kralik but maybe French?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 04:45:53 PM »
My apologies, I corrected my post above as I found a further article from the authors that was more descriptive, but the revision seems not to have 'stuck' and my post was left as I originally wrote it.
I think on rereading, my lampshade 'could' be English or Bohemian I guess
further article here:
http://www.theglassmuseum.com/overshot.htm
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pretty certain this could be (is? I can't be bothered to search any more for the pattern number)
Schreiber and Neffen

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