Topic: Chinese Pate de Verre/Pate de Crystal lidded box help need on characters/maker

[Greg.]

M, I spoke to Mei Liao a while back who works I believe under the Liuligongfang brand at their LIULI Gallery in the US.

They were extremely helpful indeed, I'm sure they will be able to help shed some further light, even if it turns out to not to be associated to them. Their contact email address is: la@liuliusa.com

When I spoke to them previously they got back to me within a few hours.

[flying free]

aah Greg thank you!  that is very kind of you.
I need to find a way out of the endless cycle 

For future reference I think I have this right -
- I'm clear in my head now of the fork that occurred after Heinrich Wang left Liuligongfang (also referred to as Newwork Shop at that time - Newwork Shop is a registered trade name by Liuligongfang - unfortunately some 'older' internet sites refer to this as 'New Shop' - they are one and the same thing I believe).
- Heinrich Wang became the Grand Crystal Co. and then Tittot Glass (timeline as above I believe)
- Meanwhile Liuligongfang progressed with Loretta Yang and Chang Yi and carries on as Liuligongfang.
- I do believe both companies are actually registered Taiwan, but have outlets/factories on mainland China.

I shall email them and see if they can shed any more light on my piece.
Thank you again :sun:
m

[pamela]

http://www.liuli.com/E_index01.htm
http://www.tittot.com/tittot/introduction-2-en.asp

Michelle, I believe you're right - both companies are Taiwanese Republic of China companies.
We visited Taipei in October (again after 35 years  ) and I saw lots of their beautiful glass - photographed only a few as they were not too pleased about that...
I return to you here soon.
 :hi:

[Mosquito]

I don't think this has anything to do with Heinrich Wang, the characters clearly read Han Wang. As well as meaning King, Wang is one of the most common surnames in China, and is also featured in the names of countless companies.

I'm not that familiar with Heinrich Wang's work, but I believe his Chinese name is written 王侠军 (Wang2 Xia2 Jun1 in pinyin).

Ivo is correct in stating there are many companies producing these types of wares on the mainland. I've visited several in Zhejiang province, but there are many more all over the country. many of the operations are comparatively small. To further confuse matters there are also traders who source from elsewhere to sell under their own brand names. Without marks or catalogues it is impossible to positively identify the maker of a piece as all tend to use very similar traditional forms.

I can't find much more about Han Wang, but an image search on Baidu brought up this which has the same mark on the box: http://www.shede.com/g_1578273_gd.htm

To get an idea what's out there, try searching for Liu-li (琉璃) on Alibaba or Taobao.

[flying free]

Steven, thanks for the links and you are right - though the red herring gave me an excuse for lots of reading which is a plus 
And Liuligongfang have also come back to me with a lovely email but said that it isn't one of theirs as it does not have their mark or signature.
I would never have bothered to try and find out who it was by except that the box was labelled so there was at least a start point.   I love the piece regardless.  And obtusely, I'm quite pleased it's a mark not seen before and something different  If the mark comes up again then it is good for future reference as well.  In my meanderings I forgot to post a further picture which is a handwritten little label on the box, so I've put it on here (see pic) just in case - again I've no idea what it reads though.
Thanks for everyone's help, very much appreciated  :sun: 
m

[flying free]

According to this article there are over a 100 makers in Asia using this technique:

https://www.liuliusa.com/pages/pate-de-verre-technique-12-steps-process-by-liuli-crystal-art#

'... Pate-de-verre did not reappear in the country until 1987 when LIULI revived the lost-art and in turn, Chinese Liuli. Because of it, there are over one hundred Liuli workshops in the Asian world that use pate-de-verre nowadays.'

I suppose I should feel lucky I have the box with a name on 

[flying free]

aah Greg thank you!  that is very kind of you.
I need to find a way out of the endless cycle 

For future reference I think I have this right -
- I'm clear in my head now of the fork that occurred after Heinrich Wang left Liuligongfang (also referred to as Newwork Shop at that time - Newwork Shop is a registered trade name by Liuligongfang - unfortunately some 'older' internet sites refer to this as 'New Shop' - they are one and the same thing I believe).
- Heinrich Wang became the Grand Crystal Co. and then Tittot Glass (timeline as above I believe)
- Meanwhile Liuligongfang progressed with Loretta Yang and Chang Yi and carries on as Liuligongfang.
- I do believe both companies are actually registered Taiwan, but have outlets/factories on mainland China.

I shall email them and see if they can shed any more light on my piece.
Thank you again :sun:
m

Although my box is neither from Tittot nor Liuligongfang I thought I'd add some links to Tittot Glass museum that give a little more information on the history of Tittot glass:

There is a nice video here about Tittot museum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMYdNsx6UuY

This is an article from 1997 in Taiwan Today:
https://taiwantoday.tw/news.php?unit=29,45&post=36594

And here is a brochure with lots of info about the museum and the glass - very humorous   :
http://www-ws.gov.taipei/001/Upload/public/MMO/ENGTPEDOIT/115431241213103.pdf
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[flying free]

sorry I don't know how to do a shortened link but this is the translated page using Steven's chinese characters - the lidded box there is so similar to mine that I think it must be the same maker.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%25E6%25B1%2589%25E7%258E%258B%25E7%2590%2589%25E7%2592%2583&ei=vVPFTpWRBJOz8QOry7iVCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E6%25BC%25A2%25E7%258E%258B%25E7%2590%2589%25E7%2592%2583%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D583%26prmd%3Dimvns

And just referring back to my post here where I put the characters into search and came up with this link.  It is still active.
It shows a handful of pieces all with Han Wang Liuli as captions.
One of which is a lidded box very similar to mine.

I've not managed to unearth any further information on this box though.