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Author Topic: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?  (Read 929 times)

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Offline dorian_graye

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Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« on: December 31, 2011, 07:05:58 PM »
Hello to all.  I purchased this black amethyst vase because it intrigued me.  I purchased it on Ebay.  There was something about the texture of the glass and the design that I found interesting and perhaps much older than the listing stated.  I feel it has both and Asian and an art deco style.  The rim is ground and polished.  There is a pitted texture to the glass as well.  I'm curious to know if anyone has any expertise in the area of black amethyst glass, 19th century glass, or even Asian pieces.  I would greatly appreciate any input.
















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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 02:05:52 AM »
Just throwing this out there again in hopes that someone might have some more information about black amethyst pieces, such as this.  Thank you.

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 06:29:02 PM »
Mould blown presumably, sorry can't help with an id - it's completely new to me. How tall is it?

It looks lovely.

John

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 08:51:22 PM »
regret I can't help either  -  other than to suggest this shape is not typical of European art deco.        If you look at most of the major factories which produced what we term art deco style -  during the '20's and 30's  -  most designs are chunky, squat and without this sort of stretched neck effect.      Whatever the true origins of your piece, this 'onion' shape is more organic and has its origins I would hazard a guess, more in the art nouveau period than deco, and looks rather Islamic in style.     I understand that Persian (Iraq now) designs, in turn, came from the Chinese region.
As for the pitted effect on the surface, I think the ceramics collectors call this the 'orange peel effect'  - created during the glazing process when manufacturing earthenware, but with glass there is a possibility it happens due to temperature problems when blowing into a mould.   Perhaps too cold or too hot maybe, thus preventing the molten glass from solidifying/flowing uniformly  -  but I am really only speculating here.
I assume you are using the word amethyst because when held up to strong light, the black becomes amethyst.     I understand that this 'black/amethyst' effect was an early attempt to produce a black glass  -  see here for a little info from Ivo re real black glass  - http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,10322.msg81990.html#msg81990.
The fact that your piece shows amethyst may well put it back into the C19 rather than the C20, and might possibly indicate an eastern European origin, but again only speculation.
All of which helps not a jot as to the origins of your piece, so we are still waiting for an expert :)

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 10:48:41 PM »
obviously nobody spotted the deliberate mistake ;)         What was Persia is, of course, now Iran, NOT Iraq  -  so apologies to anyone from Iraq. :)

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 11:14:17 PM »
Persia at it's height covered an area way bigger than present day Iran, stretching from the Mediterranean to the Himalayas. Sorry about the :hj:

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 11:27:00 PM »
Thank you so much for your input. It is precisely what I was hoping for. I could not, for the life of me, think of this "onion" shape. That is a major plus. I never would have thought if a Persian influence also. I really can't say why I thought it might be from the art deco period. The more I think about it, I feel that it might be from the late 19th c. when Asian art was being introduced into western culture. Just some thoughts. Looking forward to more speculation. Thanks again!

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 11:29:29 PM »
Oh, one more thing. How do you feel about the indented designs? Is this difficult to achieve?

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 07:29:18 AM »
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How do you feel about the indented designs? Is this difficult to achieve?

No. It's mould blown; you can achieve almost whatever you want. I would look at early 20th C American glass personally.

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Re: Black amethyst glass vase. Asian? Purpose? Age?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 08:54:54 AM »
no problem with the  :hj: John  -  and thanks for the correction. :)

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