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Offline Paul S.

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possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« on: January 21, 2012, 04:48:28 PM »
It was sold to me as such, and I remain 99.9% convinced, although despite much looking in Thompson, Slack, Lattimore and Silber & Fleming I don't see any other examples of pressed tea caddy mixing bowls.
They are not uncommon as cut glass items - in fact very attractive and collectable in their own right, but I'd not seen a pressed one previously.     Height is about 4.7/8" - 125mm, and the base is recessed as you can see, although unfortunately no marks whatsoever, and appears to have four mould seams.
Does anyone have any ideas of factory or date etc.  -  I'm assuming second half of C19 somewhere.          All thoughts welcome, and thanks for looking :)

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 07:14:56 PM »
i could be completely wrong but I'd have thought 1st 1/2 of the 20th century. Somewhere from 1920 up to the 50s?

Just a guess as I actually don't know what it is.

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 08:02:09 PM »
well, I'm convinced it's not a celery  -  too short........and it's too upright and the wrong shape for a sugar............so I'm quite happy to go with a tea mixing bowl.    Just hoping that someone might have some notion of maker etc.         
Regarding the date, I have my doubts that it's C20 (at least not much into the C20) - but I'm rather ignorant about the time line regarding the use of caddies  -  I would have thought that in general they had become thin on the ground much after c.1900  -  but I'm only guessing.     I still think that most of these things were cut  -  after all, tea caddies were posh bits of kit and made from rosewood, mahogany etc., and the thought of a mixer being made of pressed glass seems a bit of an anomaly.    maybe it was for the butler ;)

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 08:59:53 PM »
afraid I know nothing about tea mixing bowls. But could it not be a bowl for a condiment?

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 10:24:50 PM »
It's a dead ringer for caddy number 5 in the Percival Vickers pressed glass catalogue, which itself looks very like registration 49779 dating from 1848 - identical apart from a slightly different foot. Those raised square patterns are very characteristic of pressed glass made circa 1850s. If you are lucky you might actually have the registered piece. See if you can find a diamond lozenge, but sometimes they wear off with age.

Paul - email me if you want to see the images.

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 01:14:37 AM »
Neil

Could it be the number 6 caddy instead?  Similar design but smaller.

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 06:39:00 AM »
This one looks very similar to me, although obviously not an exact match http://www.trocadero.com/timelessantiques/items/857437/item857437store.html
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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 07:58:49 AM »
Yes Sid, only noticed that after I posted - 5 and 6 have the same design but different size.

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 09:34:40 AM »
Showing my ignorance again! I do confess, I am here to learn.

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Re: possible pressed tea mixing bowl
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 11:39:12 AM »
Julie  -  thanks for the link.........as you say, your link isn't exactly the same as mine, and although the design appears similar, your picture shows an example with a rim design of uniform scallops all round, and the wording describes the piece as 'crystal' - so we must assume the piece to be cut lead crystal.           But the main reason for not being like mine is that as far as I understand it, pressed glass didn't make an appearance until c.1840 (about three years into the Victorian era, and long after 'mad George) :) - so your one would have to be cut glass.               However, since one of the selling points of pressed glass was its imitation of cut pieces, then mine might well be a copy of a very similar, and earlier, cut design.

Neil and Sid  -  sincere thanks for your time spent on this one for me.     Sorry to say that despite hours spent looking I'm unable to find even a vestige of a mark or number - I don't believe it ever had a mark  -  there is in fact very little wear on this piece  -  the underside is almost as new - although some contact wear (from the inside of the caddy perhaps) on the lower parts of the sides.       You don't mention the heights of the P.V. examples  -  does your catalogue give details??                 I would like a copyh of this P.V. catalogue  -  is it something I'm able to buy on the open market, or is it a specialist thing?            Of course, I can go to Kew and look at the details for 49779, and would agree that squares do seem to be an earlier style of design.

Scavo  -  Keep looking at as many shapes and designs of pressed glass as you can  -  go to as many boot sales, charity shops, antiques markets as you can.   It shouldn't  take too long to recognize the basic shapes of things such as sugars, celeries, salts, baskets, honeys, jams, butters, tea mixers  -  and don't forget to get some books :)

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