Topic: 17th century nipt diamond shaft and globe decanter

[freeblown]

Here is the shot of the bottom - http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60/dusty999/IMG_0543.jpg

Here is a shot of the lip - http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60/dusty999/IMG_0541.jpg

[Paul S.]

thanks Peter.

[Baked_Beans]

I've been having a look at the crowns on the stoppers and the one in Australia looks like a Ducal Crown of the Holy Roman Emipre (central Europe). The crown on yours looks like a French Ducal Crown from the 'Ancien Regime'. Here is a link to a basic reference to these crowns ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)  This link doesn't quite work so you have to click on 'Do you mean .... Crown (heraldry) ' and then you can see the crowns !

Scroll down to see examples. Ta Mike ...very interesting thread !!.....not an expert on crowns but have been trying to reseach an engraved crest on some glasses and its a minefield !!

[freeblown]

Thank you very much Mike. The French Ducal Crown does indeed look very similar. Now if I can only find the cypher...

Thanks again,

Robert

[Baked_Beans]

Here are some French hallmarks from the 'Ancien Regime' ...they follow the same  pattern  a crown above a letter.....note the shape of the crowns on the hallmarks for the 18th century , some are similar in shape to the example in Australia .

http://www.silvercollection.it/frenchhallmarksold.html

[freeblown]

Thanks for the link Mike.

Rob

[Baked_Beans]

It's a pleasure Rob, ....don't quote me on this .... but I don't think English crowns of the period had this distinctive style and shape (the one in Australia)....I could be wrong & it may be a red herring ....but if the stopper is French (& yours looks like a French ducal)  then it could be that the glass is also French...but I can't comment on the glass !

Best of luck with your investigations ! Ta, Mike.

[Baked_Beans]

Here is another link to an actual print from 1783.

It clearly shows the crown in question is French (or perhaps Spanish) but given your crown is also most probably French ...then I am almost certain the stoppers are French ! 

  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1783-PRINT-HERALDRY-HELMETS-CROWNS-MITRE-CROISER-PLUME-OF-FEATHERS-KING-NAVAL-/140617089474?pt=UK_art_prints_GL&hash=item20bd6e81c2


Ta Mike.

[oldglassman]

HI ,
          An update with a newly aquired Magnum 17th c NDW (nipped diamond waies) shaft and globe decanter in lead metal .

   Cheers ,
                   Peter.

[freeblown]

What a great bottle Peter! Thanks for posting the picture. I like the wavy band around the neck.

Check out this little blue pocket bottle I picked up. It is done in the half post method with nipt diamonds. It is of non-lead glass so it is probably a German or Alpine region bottle. Only 4 inches tall.