Topic: Can anyone date or identify this vase,please?

[Fen]

It's ten inches high with a six inch diameter. I bought it with a batch of assorted glass, some of which I wanted for my collection. I am curious about this vase and would appreciate it if it could be identified even in terms of country of origin and perhaps some idea of when it was made. I thought I didn't like it at all but the more I look at it I warm to it more.

[Lustrousstone]

Look like it might be a Victorian celery vase

[Fen]

Thank you, I never thought of that but I can now imagine celery in it.

[Paul S.]

Christine may well be correct, but must admit I've never seen a celery with a turned-over rim.........the Irish were very keen on creating that sort of feature on C19 salad bowls, but it's unusual (and possibly difficult to achieve), and I don't know whether to think it's indicative of something good, or not (there's nothing like it in Silber & Fleming for example).    Both the matt finish and those particular cut stars are certainly C19 features, particularly the stars.    I assume you're implying that 6" is the maximum diameter (i.e. outside to outside of turned over rim).   I can't see detail clearly enough in the base picture to know whether I'm looking at a polished pontil depression, or a gadget mark  -  and what if any is the extent of wear, and how about stones and colour of the glass.            If it does turn out to be a celery, then I'd say you have something good.

[Fen]

Hi, The six inches is from one side of the outside rim at the bottom to the other though it's very difficult to measure as it slopes outwards and I've only been able to hold the tape over it and look down. The base measures three and a half inches and the pontil is very rough and raised, almost jagged. The frosting is very fine. There's one definate light coloured small stone in the glass, very tiny but jutting out so you can feel it - is that bad? I'm beginning to like it more already!

[Paul S.]

certainly not a bad thing when it comes to the dating game.      Much C19 utility glass was awash with seeds/stones - sometimes the colour of the glass will be less bright than modern metal  -  so the fact that you have stones is a plus point for the C19.                 However, your description of... 'the pontil is very rough and raised, almost jagged.', seems to complicate the issue............a snapped pontil, would really only be seen on C18 pieces - are you saying that the pontil has been snapped  -  or possibly just a poorly ground example.?      Looking at your picture, I'd be inclined to think the latter, but could be wrong.

[Lustrousstone]

I have 20th C Walsh with snapped pontil marks along with 19th?2oth C Bohemian...

[Fen]

Do these new pictures help at all? The edge is rough and raised.

[Paul S.]

I shouldn't generalize - always dangerous.        I should have added.......C18 snapped pontils were quite substantial, a consequence of which was that feet were quite highly domed so that pieces would stand flat and the projecting pontil wouldn't get in the way.    It's also true, I believe, that snapped pontils continued to be seen (although perhaps uncommonly) until something like 1820 - 1830.
I won't argue with Lustrousstone if a piece is marked Walsh etc., or known to be Bohemian  -  however, these feet are undoubtedly flatter than would have been the case with the C18  -  and Fen's example looks to have a reasonably flat foot, so I guess we are looking at the C19.
Other factors should also be taken into account when assessing a possible date........I wouldn't expect to find stones etc. in Walsh, although quite likely in Bohemian.
One more question.............if this piece is 'flicked', does it have a lead glass ring, or perhpas just a dull sound?

[Fen]

Hi Paul, It has a high pitched ping.