Topic: Vasart Monart ink bottle or neither ?

[Gary]

Seen this item on ebay, (IMHO) it does not look right for  Vasart and certainly is not Monart. What do other members think.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vasart-Monart-Ink-Bottle-very-rare-example-Salvador-Ysart-/261021426864?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3cc616e4b0
Gary

[KevinH]

Certainly interesting. Definitely early Ysart canes.

[chopin-liszt]

The shape looks right - and it's a jig-saw of bits holding itself together somehow - also typical of Monart. 

[Gary]

The shape looks right - and it's a jig-saw of bits holding itself together somehow - also typical of Monart. 

Do you mean the shape looks right for Monart, Vasart or both. There is no shape exactly like that one in the Monart catalogues, the nearest is shape HE, which has steeper incline from shoulder to base.
Gary

[chopin-liszt]

I didn't check catalogues, I'm afraid - just that I've seen and handled a lot of scarce pieces of Monart over the years and it just looks right to me - for one of the scarcer bits.

[Gary]

I have been collecting and researching Monart for the last six years and one thing I have learned if a shape is not in the Monart catalogue be very sceptical of said piece. I know very little about the canes used in the ebay pieces, but the positioning of the canes are poor, they are up and down and not in a straight row and not what one would except in a piece of Monart.
Gary

[chopin-liszt]

I was involved with my brother collecting the stuff with a vengeance, starting about 12 years ago....
I've also learned never to say "never".
I'm certain I've seen this shape at my brother's, with this squat base.
I agree, the decor looks a bit...... odd, quirky even, certainly not typical.


But I was very surprised by some of the colours I saw in Perth Museum - have you seen the lampshade yet?  The thin white, ceiling bowl-shaped one, with jagged spatters of colours around the edge?
I wouldn't have attributed that to Monart in a month of sundays!

The bit about it being a jig-saw, holding together with a wing and a prayer says MONART to me, very very loudly.


I'm prepared to be proven wrong, but my guts think it's absolutely right and I trust my guts.
I rather like it. If you don't want it, I might have a bash (whoops, bid - bash would not do it any good!)

[Gary]

The vendor has revised the description by adding the following statement
  "Hello, With so much interest in this bottle I have done some more research.
Indeed this bottle is a very early example dating from the 1920s or 1930s. A similar bottle, size, shape & design was made by Salvador for a member of the Moncrieff family & is in the Moncrieff collection.  Not to be confused with with later additions which are smaller in size & have a different design".   
I have emailed the vendor asking him where he sourced the information regarding a "Moncrieff collection".
In all the time I have been researching Monart glass I have not seen it mentioned in any literature or spoken to any collector who has mentioned it, this is not to say one did not exist.
Has the vendor being reading this thread
Gary

[chopin-liszt]

It's very highly likely the seller has been reading this thread. 

So we can be sure to mention ths dreadful DAMAGE which will seriously imapct on any price realised - no matter how scarce., very LOUDLY.
 

And the bit about "with so much interest" well, yes, there's a bid on it.  I imagine there may be a lot of watchers too - very likely because of this thread.

Looking at the colours... is there any possibility this was a Jesus Brasso bit???
(a bit tongue in cheek there!)

[KevinH]

Looking at the colours... is there any possibility this was a Jesus Brasso bit???
(a bit tongue in cheek there!)

Sue!!! Don't do that - it will cost me even more to buy it now.