Topic: Hoping this is a Vasart/Strathearn bowl, 6 waves but dimensions wrong?

[wolkenreb]

Hi.  This is a nice wee bowl which I bought from Ebay because I thought it might be Vasart/Strathearn.  It looks very similar to shape BO21 in Franks Andrew's Ysart Glass site
 http://www.ysartglass.com/Vascat/VasB021.htm,
 but the dimensions don't fit (6" diameter, 2¹/4" height).  It has a snapped off and partly indented pontil mark (that's me trying to use techie terminology - sorry if it's wrong!) and concentric swirling on the base.  Can anyone help please? Thanks!

[Lustrousstone]

At the risk of being wrong, I would guess Nazeing

[flying free]

I could be wrong also but this looks the same but bigger, as a bowl Sue recently bought for me (thank you Sue  ) that is a gorgeous orange and is etch marked Vasart.  I'm sorry I don't know much about Vasart (apart from that I love my bowl) so I couldnt' explain the size difference.  Except that I had thought the  Vasart pieces detailed so far, were not actually detailed fromcatalogues, but from collectors pieces. Therefore it might be that it has only been found in the sizes listed so far.  Yours may add to that info  with new size information. Please do feel free anyone to correct me if I am wrong, as I would hate to start incorrect information.
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[chopin-liszt]

Seconded on both points, Christine. 
These are often seen described as "Scottish Glass" but I don't think it is.
It's not Ysart glass Nancy, sorry .

- I see you've joined in Miranda  - the internal decor is different although similar - hence this perpetual confusion with these Nazeing-like  bits!

This piece is taller than your dish - the height is decidedly wrong for Ysart - and if you're looking at the taller Vasart bit - it has straight sides, flaring out into the wavy rim, while the Vasart bit has straight sides.

It could be Nazeing, (or it could be Bohemian, although maybe slightly unlikely, given how much of the stuff seems to be found in the uk compared to other countries..)

Or it could be some other as-yet-unknown maker who made these pieces..........

We'd need a Nazeing specialist to cast the final vote here. 

[wolkenreb]

Thanks for your responses Christine and M (not M*******).  I'm unfamiliar with Nazeing but have had a look around the web after your post Christine, and I can see the similarity - especially in the 'patterning' of the glass and also the glass is not as thick as on a couple of Strathearn pieces that I have.  So perhaps your guess is a good one?  M, your basically saying what I was thinking when I bought it - ie that the shape looks Vasart/Strathearn except for the dimensions.  That would be my preferred ID!  Maybe Sue might be able to throw some light on it - we'll see . . .

Oops - Sue got in just before me!  Thanks Sue - not Vasart then.  Shame!

Modified to add: Do we have a Nazeing expert on the board?

[flying free]

ah... there you go then
well, in the interests of research then, I've held mine up to the light and here are the comparisons (obviously apart from the size difference of course) -
- if you look at the way the colour is laid on looking down into the bottom of the bowl it looks exactly like yours
- but if you look at the way the colour is laid on across the flattened out rim, mine appears to 'swirl', to sort of  be dragged sideways whereas yours looks to have no 'drag' in the colour.
- your bowl looks to have larger bubbles than mine although that could be down to size of the piece, and I do have a few large bubbles in my bowl
- When you look at mine down from the top you can actually see the outline of the 6 petals, and on your top down photo yours looks round if you know what I mean
- mine has definite creases in between each petal and going towards the center of  the bowl.
-Profile wise, mine looks to be the same as yours with straight sides.
- yours has a 'hexagonal' look to it on the pic of the base i.e. as though your petal 'edges' may be straighter than mine  - I can't get mine to look that shape from that angle, you can still see the curve outline of the 6 petals.
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[wolkenreb]

Thanks for taking the trouble M!   

Regarding "- but if you look at the way the colour is laid on across the flattened out rim, mine appears to 'swirl', to sort of  be dragged sideways whereas yours looks to have no 'drag' in the colour." I'd say that the colour in mine does swirl slightly in a clockwise direction.

Yes, mine does look round viewed from the top.  The 'petals' are just pinches in the circumference.

Sue mentioned that the sides of mine flare out into the petal shape, whereas the sides of yours are straight with no flare before the petal shape.

I wonder if we could have photos of your bowl too so that we can see the differences?

Thanks!

[chopin-liszt]

M might be able to get better ones...

[wolkenreb]

Thanks Sue!  They are indeed very similar.  From the photos it's clear the the Vasart bowl has a much shallower base and of course is smaller.  As you said earlier, no wonder there's a lot of confusion between the two.

It would be nice to get the ID of mine confirmed though . . .anyone?

[chopin-liszt]

I think you'll have to get in the queue. There are a whole load of us want to find out!
Not all bits of Vasart are as nicely made as M's little one there.

I'm just back from going around a local antique centre. Loads of Vasart, loads of this stuff (much of it labelled Vasart, the rest "Scottish Glass") - and I have to confess some really serious large and unusually shaped Nazeing pieces, unidentified or described as "Scottish Glass", going rather cheaply...... they're still there. I resisted.