Author Topic: NS or SN moulded on a vase? (Read 3617 times)

Glen · « **on:** March 29, 2006, 07:51:15 PM »

Does anyone know what the moulded mark NS (or SN) stands for, as seen on this eBay item?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7402458521

Glen

Della · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2006, 07:56:43 PM »

Hi Glen,
I think this is the one in Ivo's book, pg 130

Schreiber & Neffen, J Glassworks in Hungary. (c1890-c1910)

Sorry if I am seeing it wrong, the photo isn't very clear.

Glen · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2006, 07:59:03 PM »

Boy that was FAST.

Della I looked in Ivo's book first :oops: :oops: and I couldn't see it. I need new specs!!!!!

Thank you. :oops: :oops:

Glen

Della · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2006, 08:02:02 PM »

It does say enamelled glass though. So I hope I am not sending you on a wild goose chase.

I had to turn the lamp a little brighter to read if it was Neffen or Netten. :oops: :oops: The writing is soooo tiny. :lol:

B & M · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2006, 08:11:13 PM »

In my opinion, 1890-1910 seems too early for this design. I have had two vases with this interlaced SN mark and number, one moulded with a pair of goldfish on each side and one with a design of geometric rays and flowers. Both were bought from France and I believe that both may have originated there given the style.

The design seems much more typical of the mid 1920's to 1930's, certainly the geometric vase is reminiscent of patterns by both Muller Freres and Hunebelle in its combination of natural and geometric forms, while the vase in the link is vaguely reminiscent of a Verlys pattern from the mid 30s. All the vases I have seen with this SN mark were similarly finished, apparently machine blown and with the outer surface satinised.

If anyone has any further information I would be very interested to hear it, not least because this mark has baffled me for some time. The only thing I can add is that I once saw one offered for sale where the seller was making a connection with LeGras, but whether this has any basis in fact or not remains to be seen....

Steven

Glen · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2006, 08:36:54 PM »

Steven, is it possible for you to post a photo of the neck of your vases? Or perhaps it would be easier for you if you could look at this webpage I've just done, and tell me if your vase(s) or indeed any others, have this very distinctive neck construction and mould seams.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/GiantLily.html

If my photos aren't clear enough I'll get better pics or a sketch.

Glen

B & M · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2006, 08:59:56 PM »

Hello Glen, I'm afraid I can't post a picture as I have recently sold both and lost my pictures when my computer had problems last month.

I can confirm that the two vases I had had identical top rim & neck mould seams to the pink vase on ebay and very similar to the carnival vase on your site. I cannot say definitively not having the pieces in front of me but I think the profile of the rim on my vases was a little smoother than the carnival example. Almost certainly they were produced using the same type of machine/ process but that is not to say from the same maker.......

I hope this is of use. In the meantime I will keep an eye out. I've found these SN pieces crop up reasonably regularly. Interestingly, I've seen one or two without mark but I've never seen one marked with the country of origin.

Steven

B & M · « **Reply #7 on:** March 29, 2006, 09:03:53 PM »

Just found another pattern, this time on French ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6615425537

And here's what I remembered as the geometric & flower design (actually the pattern seems to be fruit!):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6615511859
& another:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6615531973

As i say, most of these seem to turn up in France, which is why I suspected a French maker.

Looking at the geometric/ fruit ones, they do have a slightly different neck. I hadn't remembered this. The fish vase certainly had the moulded top with a distinctive horizontal seam like the carnival piece & first pink vase which started the thread. The body of the vase was from a two part mould.

Glen · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2006, 09:38:48 PM »

Steven - fascinating. Thank you. I need to study these items now!

Thanks again Della - and thanks too Steven.

Glen

Della · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2006, 09:50:37 PM »

Glen, you have nothing to thank me for.
We have lots of these style vases for sale over here, but I have never actually handled one. They are attributed to Sabino, Lalique etc, and some Czechoslovakia. Of course, the person selling just wants more money, so a famous maker, even if not a signed item, will attract more 'viewers,' hopefully leading to a sale.
I will take a trip to our library and see what I can find out. It is only round the corner and it is about time I spent a little time there.