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Sowerby 1877 glass creamer marked DEPOSE
agincourt17:
Just to fill in some of the gaps in the discussion (but whether clarifying or confusing, I’m not quite sure):
Here are photos of Sowerby pattern 1231 (with lozenge for 31 May 1877 – Parcel 9, to which Cottle allocates RD 310596) – a slag glass flower trough
(permission for the re-use of this image on the GMB granted by Lynne Clark)
and Sowerby pattern 1217 (the parrot spill vase) with the same lozenge (but RD 310597)
(permission for the re-use of this image on the GMB granted by Cowans Auctions).
I don’t have a photo of Sowerby pattern 1224 (supposedly also with lozenge for 31 May 1877 –Parcel 9), basically very similar to pattern 1225 (an unregistered design)
(permission for the re-use of this image on the GMB granted by shumakka)
but is triangular in cross section rather than rectangular.
Fred
Paul S.:
I'll digest your comments tomorrow morning Fred............. but just to say I think we should be careful when linking Simon Cottle's choice of factory pattern Nos. (i.e. 1224 and 1231) to Rd. Nos. 310595 and 310596. You'll see from my earlier comments/pix that the Kew records are not showing these particular factory patterns - they appear instead to show pattern no. 1221 only for both Rd. Nos.
Factory pattern No. 1217 seems to be o.k., and the image of the parrot as shown in the pattern book corresponds with the Kew picture for Rd. No. 310597.
agincourt17:
Pattern 1231 definitely corresponds to the illustration on page 3 of pattern book IX – 1882, and has a clear lozenge for 31 May 1877 – Parcel 9, so the pattern number and registration date correspond to Cottle’s attribution, irrespective of the RD number. I have photos of other examples with exactly the same lozenge.
As to pattern 1224, I don’t have a photo reference for it, so am not sure if it normally bears a lozenge of not. (Oddly though, page 3 of pattern book IX – 1882 also ascribes pattern number 1224 to a vase bearing a Walter Crane-inspired design “cross patch” , though this design is almost certainly unregistered – never, to my knowledge, having been found bearing a lozenge).
Here’s a photo of open sugar Sowerby pattern 1221 (as on page 49 of their pattern book XI – 1885) alongside a creamer similar to Roy’s example in the opening post.
(Permission for the re-use of this image on the GMB granted by Tracie Opie).
The illustration of the open sugar in the pattern book indicates that it is from a registered design (and indeed it is, as it bears not only the Sowerby peacock trademark but also the lozenge for 31 May 1887 – Parcel 9), as might be expected, and it obviously corresponds to the design representation for RD 310596 so kindly provided by Paul. (I’m not sure if this open sugar had “DEPOSE” on it or not).
The illustration of the covered sugar version of Sowerby pattern 1221 on page 59 of their pattern book XI – 1885 also indicates that it too is from a registered design (which we now know to be RD 310596). I don’t yet have a photo of a 1221 covered sugar but I fully expect that it too would be marked with the lozenge for 31 May 1877 – Parcel 9.
I’ve also checked pattern book XI – 1885 and, as Paul says, the creamer does not seem to appear in the pattern book alongside the sugar bowls, but I too think it would be a pretty solid bet to ascribe Sowerby pattern number 1221 to it (though I’m not sure which RD number – 310595 or 310596 - the lozenge corresponds to).
Fred.
Sid:
--- Quote from: agincourt17 on August 19, 2013, 08:07:06 PM ---Perhaps this may help (and it's free!):
I have started a whole gallery of reference photographs of Sowerby glass items ordered by Sowerby pattern number, cross-referenced (where appropriate or available) with their registered design numbers, registration dates, and Sowerby pattern book references (E&OE)
--- End quote ---
Awesome job, Fred!
Sid
auliya:
Thank you Fred, those links are so helpful!
I thought I would take a photo of the markings on the butter dish I have - both base and lid are marked the same. I hope that might be of some help to someone :-)
cheers
Auliya
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