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Sowerby 1877 glass creamer marked DEPOSE
auliya:
Thank you Paul. I am embarrassed to say I mucked that up and you are correct, the date on my piece is the 31st May 1877, 9 is the parcel number. Thank you also for the information - I look forward to seeing your images :-)
regards
Auliya
Brisbane Australia
Paul S.:
no problem Auliya :)
Here then are images from the National Archives of the U.K., for Registrations Nos. 310595/96 and 97 dated 31st May 1877.
I sense things might not be entirely clear - having now linked Simon Cottle's details of the Sowerby Factory Pattern Nos. to these Rd. Nos.
As I've already mentioned, the accompanying pix from Kew (relating to the first two Rd's.), do not tally with the shape of Simon Cottle's factory pattern nos. that he relates to the same Rd. Nos. Cottle speaks of items of 'angular' design, which as you can see are different entirely to the Kew pix.
Can however tell you that since my last note I've looked at Glen & Stephen Thistlewood's CD Volume Three - 'A Celebration Of Sowerby', and notice that your item is shown on page 6 of 'Illustrated Pattern Book No. XI - 1885 - page 6, and is listed under butters with factory pattern No. 1221 - so no doubt as to its intended use.
With regard to Kew Rd. 310596, this is also shown in Pattern Book XI (once as an open sugar on page 49, then again as a lidded sugar on page 59), and on both occasions carries the factory pattern No. 1221. This would suggest that Sowerby were registering the design only and not the shape on the 31st of May 1877.
I wonder if we can persuade Glen to re-issue her CD's to incorporate the corresponding Registration Nos. ;)
This doesn't make us any wiser as to the Rd. No. of Roy's creamer - although it might not be unreasonable to suggest it also carried the factory pattern no. 1221. I've looked through the catalogues, but not confident of seeing it - it may have been an item dropped by the time of the 1885 factory catalogue (the start of Glen's Sowerby period), having been Registered originally in 1877 - might not have been successful - really don't know.
Neither can I find pictures of Simon Cottle's two small 'angular' pieces with factory pattern Nos. 1224 and 1231 any later than Factory Book IX dated 1882 - maybe these had also gone by the time of Book XI in 1885. Looking at drawings of both in Book IX, they don't appear remotely to have the reeded borders with frosted/stippled ground, so I'm unsure why Simon Cottle linked these two with Rd. Nos. 310595 and 96.
Don't know whether this has made things any easier or not.............I don't know if you have any of the commercial books/CD's I've mentioned -if you collect Sowerby they are essential I'd suggest, although even with them things are still confusing..........too many cooks perhaps. :)
Anyone ................ feel free to criticise, comment, praise, yawn, pick holes in etc., as you wish. :)
bfg:
excellent points of reference Paul, many thanks for sharing -particularly the Kew archives as I doubt I'll ever get the chance to visit.
Really must chase down a CD at some point, I note many people use it here.
Mel x
Paul S.:
hello Mel. The Sowerby CDs from Glen and Stephen Thistlewood are essential if you collect pressed glass, and they are a wonderful source of information - a great piece of work and of benefit to many of us. Well worth getting, although I'm not sure if they are still available.
The pressed glass factories from the north east of England, Sowerby and Davidson in particular, have been documented and researched far more than most, and I get the feeling there is perhaps less interest in them now than say 20 years ago.
At the moment collectors seem more keen on the smaller factories from the Manchester area, and it may be true that there is less known about those, so any good pieces you find do send in your pix :)
agincourt17:
--- Quote ---I wonder if we can persuade Glen to re-issue her CD's to incorporate the corresponding Registration Nos
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Perhaps this may help (and it's free!):
I have started a whole gallery of reference photographs of Sowerby glass items ordered by Sowerby pattern number, cross-referenced (where appropriate or available) with their registered design numbers, registration dates, and Sowerby pattern book references (E&OE) at:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=1001
So far there are 290 images, and I am trying to add more all the time.
Glass Queries Gallery members please feel free to add more images, but non-members can refer to the gallery anyway.
In addition, for those Sowerby designs that were registered, I have endeavoured to add their RD numbers to the GMB RD database gallery at
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763
and have cross-referenced with details of the Sowerby pattern numbers and Sowerby pattern book.
In both cases, there are many photos of Sowerby’s registered and unregistered designs that don’t appear on the Thistlewood CD-ROMs.
Fred.
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