Topic: small shallow cameo glass pin dish - new Chinese? or older? ID = Touchard

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Hi Ivo
that was the vase I linked to, two posts above.  I think it's very reminiscent of De Vez vases, which is why I was wondering if there was a possible connection between De Vez (Cristallerie Pantin) and the Touchard of that vase and our little bowls
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there's another for sale here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200910364672?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
quite a strange depiction - does anyone recognise what it might be? 
thanks
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edited to add link to other thread with touchard dragonfly bowl and more information

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,44168.msg245947.html#msg245947

and this thread also
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52615.msg298669.html#msg298669

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A lilac cut to white cameo glass vase with a scenic depiction of ... err Venice ... is it    signed in cameo 'Touchard' . 27cm high with cameo leaves cut around the neck and outer rim.

Lovely vase, lovely cameo, described as School of Nancy

https://www.proantic.com/en/display.php?mode=obj&id=821160

I've seen but unable to link (dead link) a set of 5 of these little bowls, all with different depictions in cameo.  Very pretty.

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This reminds me very much of a Kralik shape I have in cameo:
https://www.prices4antiques.com/Cameo-Glass-Vase-Touchard-Burgundy-Rose-Castle-in-Mountainscape-B124725.html

see shape here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51275.msg290709.html#msg290709



I wonder if Touchard was a retailer of some sort? I was thinking something along the lines of Robj Paris - see explanation of Robj here:
https://www.divine-style-french-antiques.com/robj-paris-true-taste-of-art-deco-french-ceramics/

However, see this item mentioning Ruffier, Pauly et Touchard being clockmakers

https://www.daelmans.be/miscellaneous/perpetual-mobile-machine-signed-touchard-paris-ca-1860-2461679

'T Touchard worked for A.L. Breguet as doreur metalworker.
The clockmakers firm Ruffier, Pauly et Touchard were active in Paris in the Rue Charlot ca. 1880.'


See also this cameo glass lamp signed Touchard
https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/morton-subastas/lamp-early-20th-century-cameo-glass-signed-touchard-1657088

There is also this porcelain cup and saucer signed F?  Touchard, rue de la Michaudiere:
http://www.bigwoodauctioneers.com/photo/show/516/322-1/

And a full set of china here signed again on the base F Touchard rue de la Michaudiere:
https://www.schulerauktionen.ch/de/items/153-6-paris?category=glas-fayencen-porzellan

Also this table , signed F Touchard 12 Rue de la Michaudiere - so we have their address:
https://www.rouillac.com/en/lot-423-118713-table_toilette_forme_rectangulaire

They may have stocked various items made for them hence some being signed in cameo and others being signed in what looks like an inked stamp of some sort?

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this cameo vase is signed in cameo 'Touchard'.
 It had reminded me of something and finally I remembered what - It reminds me of some De Vez pieces I've seen (see the link to the one on Glaskilian)
http://placedelours.superforum.fr/t10806-pate-de-verre-touchard
the subject matter is a bit odd for a French vase I thought,  in that it's a stag? I think??

This  one  on Glaskilian is id'd as De Vez -Cristallie de Pantin
http://www.glaswolf.de/Kleine-Vase-Camille.1460+B6YmFja1BJRD0xNDYwJnByb2R1Y3RJRD04MzQyJnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTE0NjAmZGV0YWlsPQ__.0.html

In fact having now looked at quite a few De Vez vases again,it does remind me a lot of them.  I also found one with a stag on it although different to the linked Touchard one.

 I'm just adding this for reference in case I forget - I wonder if there is any connection.  Perhaps De Ves made this vase for Touchard whoever they were?
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This is a different looking kind of cameo from DeVez - a bell in red overlay on mottled white cameo, but the appearance of the shiny surface on frosted base glass is a more similar look to the little bowls:
https://www.fontainesauction.com/auction-lot/devez-cameo-glass-bell_BF0408BB4C

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See also this cameo glass lamp signed Touchard
https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/morton-subastas/lamp-early-20th-century-cameo-glass-signed-touchard-1657088

Actually just to correct this, I think this lamp shade and base are enamelled not cameo. 

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link to picture showing the little cameo bowl signed Touchard in a brass frame.  The frame is on three curly legs and the cameo bowl has an ornate brass frame mount around it's rim holding it in place on the brass stand.
https://www.theriaults.com/sites/default/files/lot_images/cat-1109_331_0.jpg

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Noticed this unsigned one that sold the other day: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ART-DECO-OPAQUE-FROSTED-ETCHED-COBALT-BLUE-DESIGN-GLASS-DISH-MAKER-UNKNOWN-/125647149036?hash=item1d412757ec%3Ag%3A%7EEUAAOSwzYljjM7L&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsBRGmAGVO2cGPda9jLwbBC%2Be6gJ8TQ8o2a56pU4%2F4zecWyYqpaVMPeZdb%2Fl68kQe2IiKlp10dALF45IcLoCVYkT2l8h1xqjGmlCI9Hxy5yHlE7KyWutaViQSt0UReKa9o0rOFovLoAZQB%2Brec%2F5V96AdU856WF%2FjN49Qhk9QaEw5Sq8ICRB6O1tvwbF6njs%2F1SEHNalX7V8%2BoIrAiHhYgJEaEgZv518qcqKkMXErRLGf%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-qBzfyhYQ&nma=true&si=P%252BgS6OfD%252BZGu4YAT18zE%252B%252BVJlrE%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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I bought that one Ekimp   just in case it's a link to a place. 


De Vez cameo vases here which don't look like the same production as the one I linked to earlier (pink and burgundy - I'll link it again here) however two of these in this link  have a strong pink background base glass:
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/glass/three-devez-cameo-glass-vasescirca-1900-molded-devezht-8-in-total-3-items-/a/5406-79187.s

Pink and burgundy cameo vase here signed Touchard (I have also compared side by side to my Kralik cameo and whilst it looks like it could be Kralik production to me(?), the shape is not the same as my red over clear Kralik cameo unfortunately):
http://www.antiquesimagearchive.com/items/124725.html#

The two are very different in terms of final design but the pink background has some similarities perhaps?

Another De Vez pink vase here - good close up of the cameo decoration on the neck which is stylistically similar to the designs on the small bowl I thought?:
https://www.bradfordsauction.com/auction-lot/devez-art-nouveau-cameo-glass-gondola-boats-sce_E784684ACF


Going back to Ivo's suggestion of looking at Val St Lambert, I can't find anything to connect them apart from the colours at the moment.  Think the bowls so far seen are only in an almost opaque burgundy and blue etched to clear and that vase in burgundy over pink.  VSL seems to be less opaque in their overlays, the glass looks more transparent, although I've only seen a very small selection of their output I guess.


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Another enamelled signed vase here - base glass orange and yellow  not my cup of tea in any way at all:

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/france-manufacture-double-glass-vase-in-orange-to-25-c-5f44139b64


So there seems to be a wide variation in design on all these pieces signed Touchard. Different periods, different makers?

just for reference, Degue may also be a contender for the cameo vase and the orange and yellow decor but not sure how that ties in with the enamelling stuff or the little bowls really. Nothing I could see that links the bowls in some way.
This is sort of a similar execution to the burgundy over pink vase perhaps?
https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/620/19-verrerie-d-art-degue-a-cameo-glass-vase-france-1920-30-s

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