Topic: Possible Walsh/Powell/Stuart vase?

[keith]

Gone through my books,can't find a match in any,hence the dodgy title ,large polished pontil mark,8 inches high,hepl please

[keith]

Just seen one with a similar pattern on ebay,listed as Walsh,could it be?

[Bernard C]

Keith — I looked at your vase soon after you posted, and thought, no, it's not a floral pattern I recognise.    Then I thought about it some more, and realised that your vase was considerably stretched, and twisted at the top.   There was nothing I could do about the twisting from the single side view, but I could squash it.    So I dropped it into IrfanView and squashed it.   See the outcome below.   

About an hour ago I found a Walsh mother of pearl example, and tried to match it to your squashed image.   Similar, but not the same.   I then realised that your vase might have a completely new base, i.e. the bottom part of the full pattern might have been removed with the pucellas in the process of forming the bulbous base, which would also explain the twisting at the top of the vase.   Success at last.   Your floral pattern matches the top two thirds of mine, with a small part of the pattern at the top missing as well.

I can't see any hints of a thin inner layer of opal glass, nor can I see any iridescence.   If so, it is Walsh canary opalescent.   Dating is a little tricky — I suggest late Victorian to early C20.

Interesting piece, Keith.

Bernard C. 

ps — note that I have not kept any copies of your image file on my PC, normal or squashed.

[flying free]

Fantastic imagination and imagery Bernard 
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[keith]

Many thanks for your time and effort Bernard  as you say no iridescence or opal layer,I'm quite welcome for any one to use my pictures for reference etc... again thanks,another piece to my growing collection,piece number 13 I think,not at all unlucky

[nigel benson]

Well thought out Bernard Nice one

Nigel

[flying free]

Interestingly however, there is a vase in Das Bohmische Glas 1700-1950 that I believe has this pattern on it    and is identified as Graflich Harrachsche Glashutte, Neuwelt - the shape of the one in the book dates to 1896-1897, the  product no is 1686/2 but the   Dekor is from 1900 and called Floret.
height 20.5cm
did Walsh and Harrah and for that matter other makers of these (American?) use the same patterns perhaps?
could someone who has the book please check my reference?  thanks
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[flying free]

I've looked again in the book and I do think the pattern matches. 
But I was just about to ask Keith to take another photo against a black background as the one in the book looks 'different', more ethereal, I thought because of the lighting.  However, having another look at the description it appears (to me at least) that it is the same pattern but outlined in gold which is why it looks slightly more ethereal. 

Having searched again I found this example on my link below - however it is not the same pattern as far as I can see as, as either Keith's vase or the one in the book (at least the part of the pattern that can be seen on Keith's vase and in the book) but is outlined in gilt and has been id'd as Harrach Blumenfloret.  The one in the book is id'd just as Harrach 'Floret'.  I'm not sure whether there is a distinction between the two names for different patterns ? or what ?
This vase I'm linking to has been identified as Harrach Blumenfloret and I'm linking just to show the gilding effect which I think is the same as on the one in the book - the patterns are different though.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/72302-vaseline-opalescent-vase-in-brass-stand

[keith]

I shall have to get that book,ah well just as I thought it was id'd ,you couldn't email me a picture from your book please m?

[flying free]

yes I can do of course.
Bernard, Nigel, if you don't have the book shall I email a picture to you as well, as I could be wrong and would very much like an opinion on this, as there seems to be so many vases being attributed to or identified as Harrach recently, that have had other id's or attributions before.
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