Topic: Red green Apple tree paperweight- Antique? Bohemian? Dump shape 4 layer fountain

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I cannot find hide nor hair of a reference for this anywhere, but I'm sure I've seen one similar before because I remember seeing it and thinking if I ever saw another I would buy it.  This one unfortunately has really been through the wars and is not in a good state.  However regardless of this, it's just perfect, exactly as I imagined it would be.  But now I cannot find my reference anywhere.  It's very neatly done with each layer being separate.
It's wonderful because if you look side on it's very neat and look like a tree  coming into leaf, but if you look at it from a slight angle top down it suddenly bursts into leaf and bloom and is full of reds and green. 
I thought it might have been Bohemian and therefore fairly old?  but I could be wrong.
It has four 'fountain' layers of the green bits some of which look like bits of canes.  With red 'apples' or 'blossom' interspersed in the branches.  The foot i.e. the ground underneath the tree,  is a bit swirly with transparent colours. The base is flat ground but is badly damaged and practically white with marks.

Can anyone remember seeing this anywhere please? or have any information on it?
Many thanks for your time
m

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close ups which should show canes.  It's been a struggle to get them to show clearly.
thanks for looking:)
m

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a couple more

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is it possible this is a Silesian weight?  I've found some very tenuous links or rather, put together some very tenuous thinking on it 
or does anyone think I'm in the completely wrong time frame and area please 
m

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My rather tenuous thinking is that I searched for weights that might have the same green and red colour millefiori in them.  And that also have the 'bundle' of green canes with white centres that can be seen in the tree.

The green is quite yellow and the red is quite tomato/orangey and it didn't seem to be the same colour as many  weights I came across.
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Then I happened on a paperweight that was suggested was Silesian that seems to have the same green and bundles of canes.
http://www.paperweights.pl/Bohemian-draft.pdf  (see Type III Silesian? header page - it's quite a long way down the presentation)

 In the same presentation there was a Josephinenhutte glass made of red filigrana canes that again seemed to be the similar red.

And lastly there was a lovely photograph of the Josephinenhutte factory with a brook running through the trees.  That scene made me think of my weight.  My tree looks more like one of those than an apple tree.

But then did Josephinenhutte do this kind of weight?  I wasn't sure.  That led me on to maybe Weisswasser?
It does have some similarities with Weisswasser weights.   But I wasn't able to find a good match to it in the end. 

m

[petet63]

As is usual I am no use in helping ID this but if you want to take a good close up use a good Magnifying Glass. You might take ten shots for one good one but it works ok. The bigger the lens the better from my experience. (I have had some really interesting shots that would have made good wall art.)

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thanks Pete
My camera has good magnification and I've taken shots through a magnifying glass but in all honestly those pics above are as good as it gets.  The glass is old(I think) and bubbly and the canes are all in bits so very difficult to see.  But they are there.  It looks to me as though many of them are bundles of canes with a green exterior and white interior and many others look like they are chopped up bits of green and white cane roses possibly.
The red ones have white streaks in them I think.
Of course I could be completely wrong, it might be a battered brand new Chinese weight for all I know. 
m

[tropdevin]

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I don't recognise the design, but I think I'd go for the relatively modern Chinese option......it really does not look like anything like an old Bohemian weight to me. That siad, it could be from a small modern glass studio in many countries, playing around with designs. 

I know of no evidence for Josephinehutte or various Silesian factories making this kind of thing.

Alan

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thanks Alan 


this is the link to the page I found - there is one weight in the left hand column that is made of frit and has three layers. 
 
http://briefbeschwerer.kulturpixel.de/artikel/99_Briefbeschwerer_Paperweights_Lausitz_Schlesien_Sachsen_Brandenbu

the pic I've added is one of it slightly looking down on it so the tree looks in leaf. Unfortunately it's damaged (fortunately got a discount when it arrived) but I love it and didn't want to send it back   

m

[tropdevin]

Hi m

I'm familiar with that website, and have both of Peter von Brackel's books, and I am still not sure that your paperweight is from central Europe somewhere. The style is certainly similar to some of the weights shown, but the Chinese do copy other people's designs - and the yellow, red and green glass within looks very similar in colour to that in many Chinese weights.

Alan