Topic: Etruscan design 1850 ish plate with handpainted enamel -angel orange black white

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this piece according to the description, dates to c.1830s and is French - so a French 'Etruscan style' design piece, with orange enamel and gilding and on a 'milchglas' base glass item:
http://www.proantic.com/display.php?mode=obj&id=181053
Although there are differences on this underplate of this piece in terms of the base, I can also see similarities.

Also, athough unconnected in terms of type of glass and design, I have  found a flacon eau de Melisse which, I believe from similar items,dates to the 1820's and has similar 'gothic' design pattern on it:

http://www.anticstore.com/flacon-eau-melisse-opaline-monture-neogothique-bronze-dore-epoque-charles-x-46324P

So I suspect, from all these examples given in my last few posts,that I'm correct about my plate dating to quite a bit earlier than mid 1800s ... dates looking most likely perhaps around 1820s although it could be earlier.

re the angel - I've come across one glass (French), that has a facial depiction on it that looks so similar to the face on the angel it made me stop and look again. However, this may be an artistic 'style' rather than a similar period of course. That dates to late 18thc.
Apart from that, the only observation is the way her hair is curled back around her face and I've only seen that on Russian angels.

Caveat - this is just an update, my searches are not 'exhaustive'.  Any further information or updates welcomed


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This plate has enamelled people on it with similar faces and technique to my very large 'etruscan' vase - possibly from the same factory.
The base of the plate is polished shiny and it has what appears to be a polished pontil mark.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-French-OPALINE-Glass-Plate-Roman-Soldier-Portrait-Medallion-Art-Bohemian-/172600187357?hash=item282fc5d9dd:g:px8AAOSwuzRXeb4n

Just adding for comparison in type of finish and style of enamelled design.

It's a completely different base finish to my plate, my plate having a flat base and completely matt finish done in a similar/same way that the base of an Hyalith bowl I own.
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close up of a design painted onto a porcelain piece from Sevres of the service made for Catherine II of Russia.  It is still blurred because the image is very tiny on the piece in real life. 
This was made in 1778-79.  The lady on the left has a good similarity with the lady on my plate.  The enamel used for decorating it also has a similar look to the texture of the enamel.  I wonder if they used similar stuff to enamel glass as they did soft paste porcelain which is what this is?

this is the close up of the decoration:

click here

and here is the piece:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-pair-of-sevres-two-handled-bleu-celeste-6010090-details.aspx

edited to add - wow, I've just seen what price that set went for.  Oh to have one squirreled away somewhere 


link to closeup of my plate
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52048.0;attach=127867;image

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just came across this interesting piece and article
http://haughtongallery.co.uk/portfolio/extremely-rare-highly-important-opaque-white-english-chinoiserie-glass-vase-cover/

http://haughtongallery.co.uk/portfolio/extremely-rare-highly-important-opaque-white-english-chinoiserie-glass-vase-cover/

don't know about the description but thought I'd add it to this thread.
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A Russian vase with an angel
https://www.tretyakovgallerymagazine.com/articles/2-2016-51/english-pottery-russia-18th-and-19th-centuries
'Vase with Heraldic Badge of the Prince of Wales
Sergei Poskochin factory, Morye Village, St. Petersburg Province, Russia. 1830s
Creamware. Height: 24 cm, diameter of body: 11.2 cm. Impressed mark reads
“S. Poskochin”, impressed markings read “F.P.”
Entered the State Historical Museum collection in 1922 as part of a group of privately
owned items submitted for safekeeping during World War One
(1914-1918) and never reclaimed. State Historical Museum'
http://www.tg-m.ru/img/mag/2016/2/art_51_09_01_1.jpg

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 A Milchglas plaque with an angel on it - dated c.1800/1810 Friederich Egermann Blottendorf Bei Haida.

She doesn't look like my angel.  The closest depiction I have found  to the style of painting of her face  is on a French 18th century tumbler.  But at the moment I think the type of milchglas and the base finish of the plate (beautifully ground flat like Hyalith glass pieces are) for some reason doesn't indicate French glass to me.  And perhaps the use of the angel indicates the fashion of that period so perhaps giving another date indicator for my plate.


Plakette aus Milchglas Friedrich Egermann, Blottendorf bei Haida, um 1800/1810 Ovale

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10005/lot-3e808577-f3eb-45e9-bad2-a44500b540ca

https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/f8f8009d-7767-4bfe-90c3-a44500b450fe/12ea1155-493e-4ecc-bddc-a44500b94094/original.jpg

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http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_27085

milk glass plate end 18th century

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Extremely interesting pair of opaline vases here - although no definitive id.  No idea if the description is correct.  Anyone else?
https://www.proantic.com/en/display.php?mode=obj&id=464030

The enamel decorating technique looks very similar to the plate.
Close ups are possible - click on the cross and then again where the enamelling can be seen very well.
 https://www.proantic.com/galerie/le-marchand-de-hasard/img/464030-4.jpg

The blue looks on close examination to be a similar consistency and applied in the same way as the orange on my plate.
The characters are enamelled in quite detailed outline in a  sepia brown.
The hair has similarities but I don't think the faces do. 

The base of the vases has a very large pontil mark that looks either to be polished or very finely ground.  In comparison the base of the plate is also beautifully polished flat finely ground rather than shiny.


Object description by seller:
'Object description :
"Pair Of Large Vases In Opaline Middle Nineteenth"
Pair of large opaline vases baluster shape, decorated with an antique frieze on a blue background in the middle of the body, your violin and taupe highlighted with gold net. Wear of use, mainly with the gilding. Restoration period. Good general condition, no fears, no egrenures. Dimensions: Maximum height: 30,50 cm. Diameter of the base: 10,20 cm. Diameter of the top horn: 13,60 cm'


It is probably my imagination (and just a similarity of style) but the face on this early 18th century tumbler reminds me of the angel's face:
https://madparis.fr/francais/musees/musee-des-arts-decoratifs/dossiers-thematiques/chronologie-du-verre/du-siecle-des-lumieres-a-l-3821#&gid=1&pid=5

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ceramic teapot painted with angel  (Mytologie) and there are a number of pieces with winged depictions on them in a similar vein.  C. 1800.

http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_4326

and also this plate

http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_15385


I think my plate might be earlier than I'd thought and perhaps c.early 1800s.

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page 13 out of 24  Buquoysche Glashutte becher with angel in similar vein:

https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/JOM_120a_0211-0224.pdf