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Offline petet63

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Antique Glasses ?
« on: March 30, 2013, 11:49:51 AM »
I have a pair of Victorian Glasses, at least I think I have  :) Searches seem to point to this but as always I doubt what I find on line.  These are 10.5cm in height. Facet cut Stem and Tear drop Facet cuts in the bowl. They have a solid ring on the very scientific ping test  :D The base has  two lines where the glass was snipped off (I will add that pic soon) Could you confirm what I think please.

I spent ages trying 5 times to upload before I realised I was not using the resized photo's  >:( I am going back to bed  ;D
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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 03:49:36 PM »
Could be wrong Pete, but I think these have moulded decoration  -  will you please re-check, and look for seams (which is partly why they aren't ringing).         They might be anywhere from 1860 - 1920  -  not easy to tie down a date for some of these designs which were continued many years.         However, you seem to be saying there is a shears or gadget mark, so this might narrow the period down more to the last quarter of the C19.
Possibly for sherry or white wine or maybe a liqueur. :)   

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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 05:30:56 PM »
Looks like the stem is worked out of the bowl and set onto a foot which is made separately - which suggests the period Paul indicated.

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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 08:25:06 PM »
Hi, thanks for the help so far. Here are pictures of the base. I am having trouble taking pictures of the base. Might be that thing in the sky shining today.  8) They have a ring but if it makes sense I call it tight/solid ring (no puns please) As usual Paul you have a hit the nail on the head. I have had a look and can see faint lines in the decoration of the glass, 3 to be exact, not in the clear rim though. Does this mean blown then decorated by blowing into a mould ?? or am I miles away ?
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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 10:39:54 PM »
These moulded pieces have three seam lines usually, but on occasions a four part mould was used -  I believe that these lines are often fire polished (removed) from the bowl area, but seem to be left untouched on the foot, which is why you may well not see them on the upper part of the bowl - especially where the glass is without any decoration.
Your example has retained the pontil scar on the underside of the foot, which is not uncommon.........moulded pieces like this can be found with scars - with ground/polished depressions - and with 'from the mould' smooth feet.    In fact having this scar, on a moulded glass, might suggest that your piece could even fall slightly into the early C20, but I'm not entirely sure.           Moulded drinking glasses will generally not be lead glass, and maybe it's the bowl shape/size that sometimes produces a slight ring. 
I believe the method of manufacture is by placing a gob of glass into the mould, and then bringing a plunger down partway into the mould to creat the bowl opening  -  there's no blowing involved, only made mechanically.

tomorrow I'll try to post some pix of clear glasses, showing examples of both moulded and cut lenses.

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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2013, 01:30:51 PM »
The reason for your pontil scar is because of the need to attach the piece to a pontil rod after pressing - essential in order that the mould lines on the bowl can be fire polished (removed).      When this had been done, the glass was removed from the pontil rod, and this was effected by snapping the join, thus leaving a rough/sharp scar on the underside of the foot.         Maybe it was only the really cheap pieces that were left with a rough scar - the better pieces had this removed thus creating the ground/polished  depression we see.

Don't know what books you have - both Hajdamach's 'British Glass 1800 - 1914' and Lattimore's 'English 19th Century Press-Moulded Glass' have sections on processes of press-moulded glass and well worth reading.

Hope you won't object to my adding a couple of pix.........
The first shows glasses with moulded decoration........mould lines can be seen on the feet and the outline of the lenses is not sharp.       These would probably have been pub/tavern pieces, and show all three forms of pontil finishing.       Date wise, I'd always thought of these being from somwhere in the period 1860 -  1920, but think now that the upper date is wrong  -  for example, they appear to be absent from the Sowerby (British) catalogues some time in the 1880's  -  maybe they started and finished earlier than I'd thought.

Second pic shows the difference when the decoration is cut  .......sharp outlines of the lenses, better clarity of the metal, and absence of mould seams.    Not quite sure of the intended social use of these - they are certainly much better quality, and one or two have an almost Georgian 'oily grey' colour, but I don't think these cut 'punties' were a form of Georgian decoration.     However, perhaps they started a little earlier than the moulded lenses.             The tall example at the back right I'm sure is Continental in origin, but as a form of decoration these lenses in a variety of shapes were very popular in the second half of the C19 - probably in many countries, and aside from drinking glasses they're found on jellies, custards and tea mixing bowls.

Would be grateful if anyone is able provide more accurate dating on these lensed drinking glasses. :)

Third and fourth pix show small moulded drinking glasses, and interesting in that the Rd. No. (578531 on both) appears in relief on the underside of the foot - slightly below the level of what looks like a pseudo foot rim.         This No. was registered to Jules Lang in 1911, although not possible to say when these particular pieces might have been pressed.         I thought the difference in bowl shape was intriguing (for the same Rd. No. anyway) - and shows what looks like a hobnail pattern with three mould lines which match up exactly with the sharp edges on the stems - a touch of neatness on an otherwise very utilitarian and cheap small pressed liqueur glass.     I don't previously recall seeing any glasses where these seams lined up with edges on stems.

Apologies Pete if I've gone off topic a bit, so if the Mods wish to make a separate post of this waffle I'll understand  -  but hope some of it might be of interest to the couple of readers who've got this far :)

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Re: Antique Glasses ?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2013, 07:18:24 PM »
Not off topic at all, This is one reason why the GMB is so good. I like explanations that my mind can understand. Some books and online materials are a bit technically worded. I found your 'waffle'  ;) very helpful. My knowledge as you know is limited and I always appreciate the help and advice given by yourself and the other members. Thanks for your time and knowledge.    Pete
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