Topic: Vase Reg’d 809140 – precise registration details, please?

[LinzC]

I saw that earlier and have been looking at the companies house records.  There's a Jack L Barnett Ltd (09010717), which is a dormant company, but the registered office address is in Worcester, "Arc Terrace Road, Pershore, WR10 2DJ".  It was incorporated 25/04/2014.

Arc International Tableware UK Ltd (01567500) used to trade as Jack L. Barnett Ltd from 15 Jul 1982 - 20 May 2004 and
Forthope Ltd from 11 Jun 1981 - 15 Jul 1982.  They describe their nature of business as 46440 - Wholesale of china and glassware and cleaning materials.  Their registered office address is the same as the Jack L Barnett Ltd mentioned in the first paragraph, and they have the same company director.

According to Kompass they are "Glass & dinner wear distributors" and have an office in Leeds.

Might be worth dropping them a line and asking if they're the same as the Jack L Barnett from the 40's-50's. 

[Anne]

A bit more digging revealed the information that Jack L Barnett was the subject of a management buy out by the Managing Director and 2 other people in July 2000 and the new business was named Brands Home & Leisure (BHL), which in turn was taken over by Thermos in 2017 (for whom BHL had been the UK distributor for 16 years.) 

Meanwhile the original Jack L Barnett Ltd company had its name changed on 20/05/04 to ARC INTERNATIONAL TABLEWARE UK LIMITED under the signature of Philippe Durand.  They are still in business.

[LinzC]

I just read that on the other thread about the celery vase!   

Just to throw the cat among the pigeons, so to speak, Jack L Barnett is listed in the 1957 & 1958 pottery gazette directories under wholesale merchants, not importers.

[Anne]

That's interesting; we do have evidence that they marketed British glassware made by Bagley for example, as we have seen boxed examples of those. I wonder when they started acting as an agent / importer for the Durand group?

[Anne]

Coming back to this topic again I noticed something I'd missed previously:  in Paul's image of the register from the Archives the card states 809140 - 41, so I'm thinking there were two registrations 809140 and 809141 on the same card and wondering what the other one related to?

The card says the copyright for 809140 was extended 2nd Jan 1941 for 5 years, and again on 10th Jan 1946 for a further 5 years, and finally expired on 18th Jan 1951, but in between those lines it also says No. 809141 copyright expired 18th Jan 1941, so whatever 809141 was it was only registered for the initial 5 years, as against 809140's registration for 15 years.

[Paul S.]

Sometimes, if brain is working properly, I view a page or two either side of the particular Representations No. that I'm supposed to be researching - it's a worthwhile habit that has saved my bacon on more than one occasion.            Sometimes though, I don't.     
Unfortunately, 2013 is too far back to remember whether or not I looked at adjacent Nos. on that particular visit, so clueless now as to what 809141 may have shown.

A not uncommon explanation for situations where two or more consecutive Rd. Nos. exist - from the same manufacturer - appears to be that a basic design shape is intended to be made with optional decorative features.       Whether the factory is hedging bets as to what currently has greater public appeal, might be one reason, another might be simply that they have more than one good idea for decoration, so why waste it.
This might have been the reason here, but equally it could have been something else.

Am I right in thinking Lindsey mentioned something about visiting Kew around this time of year?         
   
         

[billben]

Celtic Plate (which was chrome not silver plate) was the trade name used by E J Leek Ltd of Birmigham.  I imagine that in the same way that Abrahams of Birmingham were associated with Davidson's glass there were other companies doign the same thing with other manufacturers.
A photo of one of there adverts is attached. There is little known about them after 1937.

1929 Listed Exhibitor. Manufacturers of E.P.N.S. Cake Baskets, Sweet Dishes, Entrees, Vases, Tea-sets, Butters, Biscuits, Salads, Trays, Honeys, Tankards, Oak Biscuits, and Whiskey Barrels; Camel, Worcester and Royal Chinese Dragon Patterns in China Mounted Ranges. (Stand Nos.J.36 and J.61) [1]

1937 Listed Exhibitor - British Industries Fair. Manufacturers of Modern Electric Table and Standard Lamps of outstanding design. Specialists in all quantity production work in Chromium Plate or Silver Plated Articles. Exclusive designs at quantity production prices. (Stand No. Cb720) [2]

[Paul S.]

Kew image of the original factory photo now attached showing the Jack L. Barnett Ltd. (Leeds) Reg. 809141 which, together with the glass vase under Reg. 809140, were both Registered as CLASS 4 on 18th January 1936.          Regret I've not a clue as to the intended purpose of 809141 - another vase perhaps?             Neither the picture or the Register page comment as to purpose, but I suppose this one too is a bit 'vasish' in looks.             Seems odd that the prior consecutive No. should be photographed in glass, but it's brother looks to be in some sort of non-glass substance.

In 2013, when I first looked at TNA images for both these items, I may have decided to ignore 809141 as it appeared not to be glass - with hindsight I should perhaps have been more cautious and should have remembered that photos of some factory prototypes of glass items were submitted to the Board of Trade in materials other than glass.

Suppositions/guesses/theories etc., as to what 809141 might be, on a postcard please c/o Anne (Mod.), with entries to arrive  ……………………... any time you like.