Topic: Pompeian Small Dish?

[Otis Orlando]

Only from previous post, I am wondering whether this is a pompeian piece?   I've researched this piece but unable to identify.  It's an unusual piece in that it has a pontil scar, which is very pitted around the scared area.  Clear signs of ware around where the base meets a flat surface.  The outer rim dia. of the dish, not only folds towards the inner dish area, but irregular in shape too.   Striation lines are also visible.  Surprising, this dish only weighs approx 155kg and is very light indeed!    Any help appreciated.

Dia.     @ largest     point - 16.9cm

Height @ heighest     "    -   2.9cm

[keith]

Have something similar that,if I remember right,was id'd as Egyptian,I'd check but it's past my bedtime,will look tomorrow unless someone beats me to it, ,this also has a folded rim.

[NMott]

Not seeing the quality for a Walsh piece. Looks like recycled glass, of the style made for museums to sell in their gift shops.

[Otis Orlando]

Thanks Keith, look forward to any information you can provide.   I do see what you mean about the rim.   Have you got a picture of the base area?

Not seeing the quality for a Walsh piece. Looks like recycled glass, of the style made for museums to sell in their gift shops.

It would be of interest to know your hypothesis on this particular piece. 

[Lustrousstone]

I don't think it's Pompeian either. My Pompeian has polished pontil marks (one piece is marked) and isn't light for its size. Your dish doesn't look bubbly enough either or a Walsh shape

[Paul S.]

I'd suggest that this is not a Walsh green  -  theirs was rather more dull or tending to olive I think  -  this one is a bit sharp and a little too strident.
I'd also agree re the comments about lack of bubbles.

[NMott]

It would be of interest to know your hypothesis on this particular piece. 

There's a keen metal detectorist with a shop in town who sells similar reproductions of Classical glass, and I've seen a few in museum and National Trust shops. Not sure where they get them from (if it was reproduction medieval pottery I could give you a bunch of names). I'll ask, next time I'm there.

[Otis Orlando]

Thanks all the same Paul.  I don't think this will make any significant difference but just to let you know the folded rim is towards the base, so please disregard previous info.  The fold is irregular in width.   The pontil does not protrude and is polished and they are no jagged edges.  The glass is very thin and this would take into account, why it is so light.  I only provided an approximate weight, not an actual weight.   It may not be pompeian or walsh and an identity might never be found.  All I know is that it has extensive ware to areas mainly around where the base meets a flat surface, which would definitely suggest to me that this piece certainly has some age. A very interesting piece indeed!

[Lustrousstone]

That pontil mark is fire polished, i.e., reheated, not ground and polished with a wheel as I would expect on Walsh Pompeian.

[Paul S.]

I'd suggest that the thinness very much points to modern.............I know that one of the often quoted criteria for post 1845 glass is that it was made generally thicker than modern pieces.............so the theory goes, and if you have a thin wineglass/finger bowl/rinser then it's unlikely to be period.

These comments exclude certain first half C20 Italian workshops which produced high quality impossibly thin glass wares