Topic: Webb Bronze Vase - 3.75 inches - Christopher Dresser Attribution - ca 1880 ?

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I am posting this to see if I can get any additional information on the attribution I have seen for this vase I recently acquired.

The Webb Bronze portion I am pretty sure is correct, but I am interested in any information regarding the Christopher Dresser attribution I have seen for the design.

Damage free and standing at a whopping 3.75 inches, this design could easily pass for a contemporary piece of glass, or an earlier modernist example. It always amazes me that something like this was designed (regardless of who did it) almost 135 years ago.

Any information regarding the piece is welcome...

I would add that through all my years of looking at glass, I have only seen this form a couple of time, and only pics.

TIA 
Craig

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What can I say but:  W O W


NICE, i LIKE!!!!

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Could not find anything in CH  1800-1914 British Glass linking Webb Bronze to Dresser.
I'm sorry I don't have any more recent books or anything specific on Dresser unfortunately.
I did find this page if you haven't already found it.
http://www.christopherdresser.co.uk/collections/Glass/glass.html
however I can't see anywhere unless I've missed it, with a definitive id of Dresser designed pieces for Thomas Webb.
m

[bigbri]

beautiful............thats what your piece is.......
ive gone through all my dresser reference and cannot find any written attribution of ths piece but with the clear pre columbian/peruvian influence there is no doubt its dresser and he designed it 135 years ago but he most prob stole the design from an antique vessel................it could almost be a piece of linthorpe/ault.......special.....
i think its the nicest piece of glass ive seen on here for ages.......

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sorry, but how can you say

'ive gone through all my dresser reference and cannot find any written attribution of ths piece but with the clear pre columbian/peruvian influence there is no doubt its dresser' ?

Has there been a reference source with primary sources that identify some of the Webb bronze glass pieces as being designed by Dresser?

Even if there has, without a specific pattern and reference to Dresser to back it up, it could have been designed by anyone 'after Dresser' surely?

m

[bigbri]

dresser designed for webb thats a given and with the obvious peruvian design to the piece it can only be dresser unless of corse you know another designer who designed for webb and was influenced by pre columbian/peruvian art................
i would love to know who you might have in mind apart from dresser.............anyone?

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I don't have anyone else in mind. 
I am just wary that once someone has designed something, others could follow with similar designs if they had proved popular.
Do you have a reference for Dresser designing for Webb please?  I've not been able to find a conclusive one.
thanks
m

[bigbri]

i dont have any specific reference in black and white for dresser and webb but i think its been proven by more knowledgable peeps than me that he did......
i very much doubt that webb would allow someone just to knock out copies of someone elses designs esp dressers just because they could i doubt webb was run that way and i would take a punt with every penny at my disposal (37p)that thats a piece of webb bronze designed by Dr C Dresser in the pre columbian/peruvian style......................
thats just from a pure arts crafts dealers opinion i would happily state dresser no probs at all.

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In addition to my comment above
this link to a comment on Collectors Weekly includes a response from Christopher Morley to a request for information on a Webb Bronze Glass piece.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/56225-detail-pictures-sof-thomas-webb-and-sons-b

A large part of his reply to the request is copied and pasted on that site so please click the link to see more information, however within that information he says
'.....Several shapes of Webb's bronze glass are, in my opinion, distinctly Dresser like and unlikely to have originated with anybody other than Dresser.'

m

[bigbri]

Something's are just designed in such a way in all things that attribution can be given when all others are discounted,due to the design and design only,as dresser was I think the most influenced by pre Colombian/Peruvian arts in that period of time when this was made then with the design being so influenced by peruvian art it has too be by him and if not i won't be persuaded otherwise unless he comes back and haunts me telling me different............
I think the V&A had some bronze ware in there dresser exhibition so maybes they will be able to give the link between Webb and dresser in more detail but based on all I know its dresser............