Topic: Carafe ? Age ?

[petet63]

Hi All, This is a confusing, to me, piece. I think it is a Carafe as there are no stopper wear marks. It is 22cm in Height and has a Circumference of 46.5cm. 3 rows of thumbprint facets around it. Another piece of a job lot. No luck in finding similar but after reading and lots of searching I think it is around 1840/60 (edging my bet a bit  )  Some marks to the body sadly but still a large Carafe or Decanter ?? What are your thoughts. ?

[Paul S.]

Don't know Pete that you're going to get very far with this one, unfortunately.
Have you looked very carefully around the lip area, the neck (inside as well), and even on the base, for a 'matching No.'? -  and assume there isn't an acid backstamp somewhere on the base.
You may well be right about the carafe idea, and I'd suggest this is a mallet shape - not perhaps one of the most common shapes for a carafe.
Early carafes, apparently had wider mouths than decanters, but yours I'm sure isn't that old  -  circular and oval punties were around for a long time, and the 16 point star - although a feature of decanter bases around 1830 - 40 has, like most decoration, been copied since.
You don't comment on wear, which should be quite noticable on something of the age you are suggesting.          Might have originated almost anywhere.
P.S.   Trees don't make the best backgrounds for pix by the way.

[petet63]

I have gone over the piece with a loupe and a mag glass. No numbers. The base has a ring of heavy wear, hopefully can be seen in the pics when I post them in the morning. On closer inspection there seems to be a wear mark inside the neck that makes me think decanter with a stopper missing being used long after the stopper was lost. Strangely there looks to be a finger print on the underside of the lip  will try for a pic. It's 5 in the morning and maybe I'm looking too deeply into this    Thanks Paul.

[petet63]

I really must get my Glasses sorted, I keep missing things on crystal etc.  Here are a few more pics.

[ahremck]

I suspect that this is not that old.  As far as I understand it most earlier glass has a faint brown tinge, most crystal a slightly grey tinge.  It appears to be clear and thus relatively modern.  Unless you can see signs of a stopper being ground in I would suggest it is probably the carafe from a nice water set.

Ross

[petet63]

Thanks ahremck, it is clear, (without the marks on it). In the photo of the neck are faint marks, not sure if it tells me anything. It will probably have a use eventually. Thanks for the help. Pete.