Topic: Large,heavy cut glass jug,bit of damage!

[keith]

About 8 inches high,no marks found,yet, couldn't resist at such a low price,the saw tooth edge,panels and cutting on the base are,IMHO,good quality,anyone like to put an age to it,looks mid victorian to me,has a bit of damage as you might have noticed!

[keith]

Is this a 'dab' handle ? crafty bump,

[Paul S.]

I must have missed this Keith  - I like it a lot - looks as though it might even be a bit 'grey' - and I'm all in favour of a bit of distress - I've a few bits with staples too

Assume you mean an example of 'top down' rather than the modern way of attaching.               Larger pieces like this which had the older style of attachment were finished by tidying up the lower end of the handle, and much of the curly finial that is seen on custards, for example, was removed.           
Can't seen the lower end clearly on yours but I suspect it has the usual grinding/polishing which tidies up any irregularity.   The sides and outward facing parts of the bottom end will usually be smoothed and shaped, and there's often a notch on the peak of the handle, although on yours there appears to be a flat only.
I like the underside of the foot with that cross hatching.

The style may well be Anglo-Irish with a date of something like 1820 - 1840, on the other hand it might be 50 years younger, it depends on colour, wear, stones in the glass, and quality of cutting.     I take it the cutting feels sharp?         I don't know the time line for the use of staples, but they appear to have been used over a long period, and we'd assume they were applied some few years at least after the piece was made. 
In view of the handle, my personal opinion would be that it's not later than about 1860.

[keith]

Thanks for looking Paul,it does have a grey tinge and the cutting is sharp,no 'stones' very heavy and well finished,loads of wear to the base,old and worn just like me !

[Paul S.]

I'd suggest it's the real thing then Keith, although it's exact origin may never be known.

I've no objection to this sort of damage, provided of course that you pay accordingly.           Just think of the social change it's seen, the families that have shared their lives at the table with it, the wars that have come and gone, and to cap it all it was loved so much that someone cared enough to fix it rather than throw it away.            Made, possibly, at a time when transport was all horse and cart, little boys were sent up chimneys, and Regency port glasses were all the rage

[keith]

Thanks Paul,I'm always amazed at these repairs done with hand tools,I have a large Chinese bowl with similar repairs,can you imagine drilling into cut glass !

[Paul S.]

assuming it has a reasonable lead content (which quite likely to assist the cutting), then perhaps a little easier than some other forms of glass, but as you say still very difficult.
In the C19 there was a small hand held manual piece of kit called an Archimedes drill, which you could rev up to quite good speeds, but that still doesn't get round the problem of the need for a toughened bit of some description.               I've not a clue really, but always possible they may have used the old Chinese technique whereby a very find sand was used to act as the cutting medium.
You don't see this sort of repair on glass remotely as commonly as on ceramics - possibly for just the reason that it was very difficult.

Sounds like you've cornered the market in rivets Keith

[Paul S.]

hi Keith........sorry, forgot to answer to your question properly re 'is this a dab handle'.... ...........and the answer is no, it's a strap handle.

[keith]

Paul,I'm aware of 'pump' and 'dab' but what's a strap ?? 

[Paul S.]

Keith............I get the impression that pump and strap seem to be interchangeable.........depends on whose book you're reading at the time.
Charles Hajdamach seems keen on pump i.e. the high looped pre c. 1860 style, often finished off at the bottom with a curly finial, whereas Mervyn Gulliver and John Brooks seem to use strap for the same thing.
Dab is quite different, and would appear to describe the more modern method i.e. applied first at the bottom and looped up to the top.
Have a look in Gulliver and you'll see what I mean.