Topic: Very Old PW Id I think? Id Please?

[dreama]

Can someone tell me what this is> Is it a Degenhart, but the stand confuses me?  I think its old, not sure how old?

[tropdevin]

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Hi.  I think there are GMB members who would know for certain, but I thought pieces like this were mid 20th century.  Regarding the stand, I would assume it is serendipity - it fitted the paperweight, and someone just liked the two together.

Alan

[daveweight]

Hi There
It could easily be a Degenhart paperweight but which of the three made it is difficult to tell, my is definitely a John Degenhart as the pick axe flowers at each corner of the plaque was how he did these weights at the time and mine is dated 1930
Dave

[dreama]

Yes I have one similar to yours, I thought it may have been degenhart or cambridge, something one of the workers made after hours, but the stand puzzled me, anyway I lived in cambridge almost all my life, and after thinking about this stand, I think please correct me if I'm wrong, but I vagly remember seeing these paperweights on stands. At the cemetary, by gravestones.  Which made me think maybe this was a grave marker by degenhart? 

[paperweights]

I'm not sure that yours is a Degenhart, but the style is similar.  I've seen enough in your style to conclude there might have been another maker who made these at about the same time, maybe also in the Cambridge, Ohio area. 

John and Charles Degenhart made personalized grave markers which were about 4" in diameter.  They usually give both the birth and death dates as well as the name of the deceased.  Grave markers were also made at Cambridge Glass and continued to be made at Crystal Art Glass after John Degenhart died. 

The grave were not on separable stands, they were mounted firmly to the top of the stone crypt.  How large is yours?

[dreama]

It is 2.75" tall and 3.5" wide, so not real large.  I do remember these stands, not this perticular weight, but stands like these with a pw, when my parents took me to the grave yard in cambridge to visit my grandparents.  But never paid alot of attention to them, but i remembered the stand, and thought it was strange.  Unfortanutaly thats all i remember about the stand.  That would have been in the late 60s, I am not sure if the stand went with the weight, i thought it did, but maybe it was for something else, and people just put the weight in it? I know of at least two other makers who worked at cambridge glass and made these after hours.  I am sure there were others beside Dengenhart, because i have some my father made while he was at cambridge and also mosser.

[Fuhrman Glass]

in my opinion, this type of placard weight was made by numerous companies in the Midwest by craftsmen after hours and on special occasions. I have seen these from numerous factories in Indiana, and Ohio and maybe even a few from NJ. They were created by taking apiece of white flat glass and putting a fired decoration on it with the names etc. with paint normally used for decorating large lamp bases and shades. They were then encased in the paperweights after a multicolored "ground" was melted into the 1st gather. I've had some like this from Degenhart and Mosser as well as St. Clair in more modern times. This one appears to be older and possible as old as 1900 in my opinion. There were many glass factories stretched thru Ohio and Indiana at this time and this weight has a look that coincides with some that they produced. Mosst were not signed but later Mossers and Degenharts had their initials in the corner of the placard.
Tgh3e base was an addition as this appears to be slush cast zinc and was probably made by one of the manufacturers of this type in NJ or NY. These companies primarily made lamp and lighting parts and this was fashioned from some of these. I used to represent several of these manufacturers and sold items to many glass companies in the 60's and 70's. amongst these were Fenton, St. Clair, L.G. Wright, Sinclair, and many others.

[dreama]

Thanks so much that does explain the stand, so it must have been part of a lamp.  I thought when I first saw the PW it was older than the others I have.  Most of my collection, comes from the 50s or later.  However I do have one from the 30s, that my dad made for my mom.  This weight looks more like it, than the others. Some of the colors are the same,  So that is why i thought it was 30s or older.