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Author Topic: Cameo vase, layers of green and clear, trees mountains water, Riedel maybe?  (Read 2805 times)

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The overall effect is that there are 5 layers of glass, but as far as I can see this is achieved by polishing or satinising some of the trees and mountains.  I think it was actually blown with only 3 layers, a clear, a pale green then a darker green on the exterior.  So for example I think the clear layer background was acid etched leaving some trees and mountains in relief which are clear but polished, i.e. that is only one layer of clear glass but appears as two to the eye(and the polished trees and mountains are definitely raised against the background) if you see what I mean?

It measures 11cm tall by 10.7cm widest at the rim. 
The rim is cut bevelled on both sides and highly polished.  It's about 3.5mm thick at the rim but it's not heavy.
Mould blown base as it's cut from the top.
There are quite a few seeds/pits and black specks in the glass. Some can be seen in the base shot and the close up of the trees. There are others between the green layer and the clear layer on the sides, but didn't photograph them.
Some wear to the base but no overt wear. It's been well looked after.

Can anyone confirm I'm on the right track please?  :)
I've added more pictures in the reply below.
Much appreciated.

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Interesting piece,looks quite contemporary,I believe you can get all the tones from just two layers but I'm no tech' expert on glass making.What makes you think Riedel ? ;D

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Yes you may be right about two layers - I had looked at that possibility.  In which case, a lot of work has gone into reducing the layer to a pale green as there are many of the trees and other bits in this paler colour.

Why do I think it's Riedel?
I took a cursory look around when I first bought it, couldn't find anything at all and put it on the shelf thinking possibly contemporary and forgot about it  :-[
This afternoon moving 'stuff' around I decided to photograph it and took a much closer look.   There are seeds (quite large ones) and pits and black specs in it.   In the hand it doesn't look like new glass - can't explain any more than that really. The background is not sandblasted to achieve that effect but has been acid etched - in parts in the light you can see where the satin background (clear glass) isn't 'even' on the surface - hard to explain but I have a piece of sandblasted cameo and it's not the same ( I realise that doesn't make it 'old' but just a pointer I suppose). And I just suddenly felt that it wasn't a new piece.  Can't explain exactly why other than those two things.

The lighting makes it look very ethereal, it's very hard to photograph it to make it look 'substantial' , but also show the different colour effects and layers, because of the colours and the transparency. 
I do have two pieces of French cameo that are much thicker and heavier.  It's not the same 'substantial' as those - a very different animal,  I think that's what makes it look contemporary.  But I just don't think it's new   :-[

I found some Kralik cameo in the Passau that has a similar look and design idea that I'd remembered from searching for something else, which led me to looking for period pieces and finding some Riedel cameo pieces, in a different vein but which had enough similarities to make me look further, which led onto this thread here :
 
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38278.msg210942.html#msg210942

I've added some pics - the best I can do lit from the front - the shape of it and where the cameo is, makes it difficult to show both top and bottom evenly lit.  It doesn't show the mix of satin and gloss glass finish in the individual bits unfortunately.
The second pic is another frit or stones which should also show black specs in the glass around it hopefully. 
The last is an example of the background bumpiness, difficult to show when lit to photograph but this is the part I could get to show in the lighting.

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I think this definitely come under the category of

Riedel probably

-quite similar image to their usual landscapes and their usual colour way for botanicals - I've just never seen a green and white Riedel landscape before.

Love it!

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Thank you Mike :) 
I think the particular green colour, the glossy finish of the (slightly iridescent looking) top layer of green, the landscape and the design, and the way the design is executed, as well as the finish of the rim all point to Riedel.   

I have found an article, I think by Petr Novy, which included a picture of a catalogue page of the landscape cameo lamps (like the ones I linked to on the other thread) but it was in Czech and I can't find it again at the moment.  There appeared to be two blue on white windmill vases but I couldn't be sure if they weren't constructed like the purple and white botanical vases I've seen which have a white interior.  Mine doesn't have a white interior.  That's the only other reference I could find to the two colours in landscape.
There is nothing relevant in Truitt's or Das Bohmische Glas from what I could see, and I don't have the Riedel book.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, this is a picture from the Passau museum of the landscape vases in multicolour
Mod: Link removed as content changed to inappropriate site

I also have a cameo lampshade (different in style, with flowers on and gilding). It was bought in Austria many years ago by the previous owner.  I thought at first it was French or Belgian but now I think it is also Riedel possibly.  I'll post it separately.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply :)
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There is a very good closeup of trees on this Riedel vase on Gilded Curio.  The bottom photo.  Put side by side with a close up of mine, it looks like a match.
http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Riedel-680.html

The green also looks to be an identical match for this Riedel green bowl (scroll down to 9th item down) here when put side by side
http://www.manddmoir.co.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/moir?opendocument&part=11

In addition to which, looking at Serafina's lampshade on the previous link, the trees look the same, as does the type of iridescent blue glass compared to the flat areas of the iridescent green on mine. 

I think it's a definite id of Riedel.

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Posting a much better picture of the tree tops on my vase (ah, just realised I'd already added it but have posted this post now :) ).  Looking for confirmation that I'm right for Riedel as the maker of my vase please  :)
When I put this photo side by side with the bottom picture on the vase on Gilded Curio they are identical in design and technique
link to pic url on Gilded Curio
http://www.thegildedcurio.com/images-medium/680-g.JPG

Link to full pic on Gilded Curio
http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Riedel-680.html

thanks for looking
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 a link to some coloured layered cameo lampshades on this board from Riedel, as well as a link to a catalogue page.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38278.msg211399.html#msg211399

http://www.prazskagalerie.cz/data/31/981/Image00004.jpg
'firemní vzorník, 1920-1925
Firma Josef Riedel, Dolní Polubný Sbírka Muzea skla a bižuterie v Jablonci nad Nisou'
Source:
http://www.prazskagalerie.cz/
Petr Nový

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Interesting comparison here to this Riedel cameo lamp 16/29

scroll across

http://www.cesonline.cz/arl-ces/cs/detail-ces_us_cat-psb0001757-24-Sklo-Riedel/

layers of brown on a yellow background but the trees differ towards the bottom.

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