Topic: Whitefriars or webb tankard help please.

[Chris Harrison]

From the mid-1930s to the 1970s, I believe, Stuart used a green and gold sticker.  I have two or three pieces with the stickers, and their bases are unmarked.

And, as I think Bernard pointed out on another thread, manufacturers making items for third parties (e.g. certain department stores) might be asked specifically not to mark the pieces.

[Paul S.]

Hi Chris  -  unfortunately, I don't know for how long, and between what dates, the Stratford Rings design IN THIS BLUE was produced  -   as a service, of course, it seems to have lived for almost ever  -  1920's apparently into the 1970's. 
According to the books, Stuart were still acid badging with their name during the 1960's  -  and have to say that oddly I've never seen a label  -  perhaps they all get washed off by the time I see their glass.
I wasn't entirely sure if you were suggesting that between the dates you mentioned, Stuart used a label only, and weren't applying a backstamp.

[flying free]

I have one of these tankards in green.  Is there anything about this range that would preclude it being made at Stevens and Williams?  The colour smoke for one thing?
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[brucebanner]

I have dropped this off at Broadfield House glass museum today, they were not open but the secretary let me in and one of the curators had a look, she said it was English 1930's and either by Webb or Whitefriars, she was not impressed with the quality and said she did not like the handle, it did not seem right. She said over the next few days there will be a few specialists going in and out the museum and it's on the front desk for them to have a look at and get back with an answer if they know of course, she did not think it was Stuart at all.

[chopin-liszt]

I'm rarely impressed with the quality of these pieces myself. The moulding on the tumbler in my pics is ok-ish; blurred in the bright green tankard, and almost missing on the dull green one. (it doesn't show up in my pic, but it can bee seen when you look through the whole body, towards the base.)

The amber is a very dirty sort of colour...

[Paul S.]

quote..............."she was not impressed with the quality and said she did not like the handle, it did not seem right.".......         I wonder what she considered the handle should look like?

As we know, it seems always to be the swags that persuade people to mention those two factories  -  but to come back to my earlier thoughts re the blue - I'm not aware that T/Webb ever used that colour, and the W/Fs. people here have denounced that suggestion.       So............??

When you go back to the museum, you might ask if they are able to show you a piece of genuine T/Webb Ribbonette.

[brucebanner]

Ok, will do and i'll take a photo of it, i thought the same when the handle was mentioned even said the same to the wife what's it supposed to look like, i'll also ask them about the colour.

[brucebanner]

I have had a reply back from the glass museum and they are pretty sure this particular tankard in this pattern was made by Stuart in the 1930's.

[Chris Harrison]

That's nice to know.  Ta, Bruce.

For the record, all of my tankards and jugs are good quality.  The pattern is prominent, the lip is smooth and level, and the handles are tidy and do what they're supposed to.

[Chris Harrison]

I wasn't entirely sure if you were suggesting that between the dates you mentioned, Stuart used a label only, and weren't applying a backstamp.

No, not at all.  But logic would dictate that they'd use one method or the other, rather than both.  Not that glass production is ever 100% logical, of course...