Topic: Dab tail or peacock eye trail style vase - Stuart? shape confirmation please

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=191045000501
this vase is listed as Harrach.
The rim shape from the neck upwards including the 10 way crimp and then the 10 ribs going down the body is the same shape as a vase in Gulliver's Victorian Decorative Glass page 159 id'd as Stuart c.1895.  The difference is the body shape on the one in the book is bulbous with a foot.  But I believe I've seen this one I've linked to without the dab trails, also in a dark green, id'd as Stuart.
Does anyone have a reference or remember seeing it please?
Thanks
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http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,44786.msg249673.html#msg249673

The bowl/vase I'm thinking of is this colour I think, that sagey/olive green.  It is the same shape as the one I've linked to above but in the same decor as Paul's bowl iirc.
This one also appears to have the same or very similar rim and the faint ribbing on it.  It's a Stuart peacock eye trail vase .
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29457.0.html

Please note, I am open to correction so please do so if there is something inaccurate regarding the rim and shape comparison.
Thank you.
m

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I have this, which I've assigned to Stuart via Gulliver (who I know knows his Stuart as its frilly baskets are his thing)
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2032

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thanks Christine is that a 10 crimp rim as well?

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Yes http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=2033

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Thank you.  Unfortunately I've just checked the seller's photographs and I think they have accidentally included a base photograph from another vase so I can't check what the base looks like.
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http://www.mikeweedonantiques.com/newsite/stock/glass/english/stuart/stuart-v-003.htm
This Stuart vase featured on Mike Weedon's site and appears to have the rim and the shape  I was talking about.
To me this seems remarkably similar to the rim on the bowl I linked to originally on the ebay link (id'd as Harrach).

In addition to which there are two footed Stuart peacock eye vases featured here, that have the same rim and cup shape top as the vase I linked to on ebay. - see item 3rd from top and 5th from top.

http://www.nouveauglass.co.uk/antiques/english-and-scottish-glass/

I have been unable to source a Harrach reference for the vase on the ebay link.  It does not feature in the Truitt's book which pictures some peacock eye trailed vases listed under the Harrach chapter, nor does it feature in the Harrach book.  Nor can I find a match in photographs of trailed vases in the Passau museum or elsewhere on the net or my books.

Obviously as Nigel pointed out in a previous thread, different makers will have made similar pieces, however I am struck by the similarity of the rim shape and the  vase shape, to known Stuart pieces. 
So I am curious to know if anyone has a reference to a Harrach production that did this please?
Thank you  for any help
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Mike on another thread, has just found this vase in the Fieldings sale of last March 2013
Fieldings have listed it as Webb's gilded vase
http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/auctions/print/56  - please scroll to auction number 312 (or press control and F buttons on comp and put in the search box 312)
Is it just me or does it look the same shape as this one listed as Stuart?
http://www.mikeweedonantiques.com/newsite/stock/glass/english/stuart/images/st-v-003.jpg
and does it look to have the same rim shape as the original I linked to?
Thanks for any observations.
m

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Looks like a Stuart shape to me

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Thanks Christine
Just gone through Gulliver's and that Fielding's bowl is the same width (15cm) and similar shape as a whole although the bulbous body is different, but also has the same cupped crimped rim as Gulliver's Victorian Decorative Glass page 159 identified as Stuart.

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