Topic: Georgian Victorian? old or new glass rummer help please.

[brucebanner]

The rim is flat and polished with a beveled inner edge. On the outer rim there are lots of tiny chips, the like of which i see a lot of crystal i have always put down to wear from teeth especially very thin glass. I think  looking at the rim again the chips could be fractures caused by a grinding wheel. I did have a go a few times at repairing old glass with grinding wheels and cutting pastes etc but i think it ruins the original shape, so now if it's damaged i leave it well alone,

The pictures look very similar to the glass in the link, thanks for your help.

 Chris.

[oldglassman]

  Hi ,
            " looking at the rim again the chips could be fractures caused by a grinding wheel."

   That was my thought when I saw the listing , you would need some set of nashers to do that to a thick walled glass.

  cheers ,
               Peter.

[flying free]

I don't want to interrupt the flow but just wanted to say thank you to Petet for a fantastic link
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[Antwerp1954]

For a picture of the tiled stove yoy might like to look at

http://czechrepublicroadways.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/cheb-sudetenland.html

Or

http://blythedollsbonvoyage.blogspot.co.uk/2012_07_01_archive.html

On the second link you need to go someway down for the picture of the stove.

I wonder if she is hand spinning. An activity that certainly continued in Eastern Europe into the 1930s at least and still continues today in Romania.

There is a similarly shaped glass in The Krug Collection Part 3 Glass No.497 which is described as originating in Silesia 1790-1800.

[brucebanner]

Is this the Sotherby book on this Krug collection dating 1981? regards Chris.

[Antwerp1954]

The very same!

[Ekimp]

Bit late for this but it looks to me like either the stem has been repaired under the knop or the stem and foot are from something else? It doesn’t look like the stem is on quite straight or central to the bowl and the globule of glass under the knop looks very like a repair/join. It even looks like the top of the facets on the stem have been ground away before joining.

[Lustrousstone]

The method of joining top and stem is called a wafer. Our resident old glassman thought it was 19th C but that the top had been ground down

[Ekimp]

Hi, thanks for that, didn’t know the term ‘wafer’...or didn’t remember it . Oldglassman doesn’t mention the wafer and I wasn’t questioning the date. I have a few 19c rummer type glasses, and others types, and have never seen the wafer applied in the middle of the stem unless it is a repair. I have a victorian wine glass with bladed knop in which the stem has snapped above the knop, it has been repaired in a way that resembles the op’s glass.

When you look at brucebanner’s photos, especially the second one in the original post, it looks very much like two different styles joined together, especially as they don’t seem to line up along the axis. The wafer below the knop looks particularly rough and inelegant, there is another (neat and tidy) wafer above the bladed knop that joins the original stem to the bowl - why is the wafer below the knop so obvious and untidy? Also, the stem must have been faceted before attaching below the knop, otherwise you wouldn’t have clearance to get the wheel in, or there would be wheel marks on the wafer - I’ve never seen this before. In my experience, when the stem is faceted, there isn’t usually an obvious join in the stem like this, but the join is ground away in the faceting and looks much more professional.

In view of of fact that the rim has been tampered with, it seems likely - given the way it looks - that the stem is also not as original....or that’s what I would suspect if it was mine. In my opinion, that makes it more interesting. The only peice of porcelain I own has been stapled, and that’s why I bought it.

[NevB]

As mentioned previously she is spinning, the object below her right hand is a spinning bobbin. I love these type of rough and ready glasses although the engraving on this one is very good.