Topic: Georgian Victorian? old or new glass rummer help please.

[brucebanner]

Hello there i picked this up from Ebay recently, it has a few seeds in the glass a nice ring to but not much wear to the base i think it is either new or has been repolished at some point, i'm not sure if it's age or where it's from, it appears to have union jacks within the top border and a number 10 engraved in the base of the bowl, it's 4 3/4 inches in height 2 1/8th across the base and 2 3/8th inches across the rim, can anybody help please.

[Antwerp1954]

I also saw that on eBay and thought about it but my funds wend elsewhere. It is wheel engraved. The union jacks are, I believe not union jacks but a similare 'star' pattern. The structure in the background is typical of the ceramic stoves used for heating houses in eastern Europe. For example, if you visit the Hofburg in Viens you will see similar stove. 18 months ago I stayed with a family in Romania and their house had a similar ceramic heating stove.

The style with rha square base is typical of 179o-1830. Is it made of lead glass? Have you tested it under UV?

[brucebanner]

Yes it glows green under uv light and wheel engraved, whats throwing me is the wear to the base it looks and feels very old with tooth chips to the rim but should look like this if it's 200 years old having a flat bottom base, if it were brand new i think the work involved would be well worth the 40 quid it cost, i would never have thought that was a stove by the way

[Antwerp1954]

The woman's hat is also interesting. What style is it? What is she doing? Spinning?

[brucebanner]

I think so, looks like she is spinning wool, it's incredibly detailed given it's size, there must be a limited amount of us watching and bidding on this old glass.

[flying free]

I don't know anything about this to help but I really really love it
Fascinating social information in the depiction.  It's lovely.
Is she spinning or is she making something.  Is the wooden stand called a 'dolly' here in the UK?

edited - well it looks like a 'dolly' but that was apparently for washing
http://www.objectlessons.org/houses-and-homes-victorians/washing-dolly-victorian-original/s59/a918/
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[KevinH]

In Reply #2, was the new picture supposed to relate to the item in the original post? It seems to be the foot of a different item.

Also, the response in Reply 2:

Yes, it  glows green ...

might be thought to be in relation to both questions in Reply #1:

Is it made of lead glass? Have you tested it under UV?

However, a green glow under uv light (longwave / "blacklight") does not on its own indicate a lead-based glass. A green glow is usually a result of the decolourant (manganese) and this will (usually) show as such under longwave uv whether or not it is a lead-based glass.

My apologies if I have appeared a little pedantic over this.

[brucebanner]

The second photo was trying to show what i myself thinks age wear should look like on an old piece of glass. it's an old Georgian salt base, the base on this glass has no wear. Your reply Kev, has a humble Person like myself completely confused.

[petet63]

Are the flowers tulips ? Saw this, hope link works. Pictures 1 and 8 are interesting. 8 looks like the same headwear shape as well.   
http://bjws.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/illuminated-manuscripts-women-spinning.html

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
         The green glow suggests to me that it is not lead glass , I did see this item and thought the condition not that great, has the top rim been ground? , the decoration as you have already been told is a woman beside a fire doing some kind of spinning or teasing at home , and my thought was that the number 10 could indicate that it was part of a set all of which may have depicted homely pursuits,

 Central European was my conclusion(possibly for the Dutch market) and more than likely 19th c .

 cheers ,
               Peter.