Topic: Stuart Crystal marks - anyone have accurate dating for them

[ahremck]

Photo #1 - What I assume to be a 30s label up to WW2

Photo #2 - What I assume to be  post  WW2 label up to the middle 60s at least.

Photo #3 - What I assume to be a pre WW2 touch marking

Photo #4 - The last touch mark I assume started in the middle 60s or so.

Ross

[ahremck]

And some more.

Photo #5 - on the base of a dessert dish - I assume sometime from 1924 to late 30s

Photo #6 - on the base of another dessert dish - I assume late 30s to end of WW2.  Sorry about the quality of the picture.

Photo #7 - on the base of a large vase - I assume late 30s to end of WW2.  Note the curly 'tail' as in the previous picture

Photo #8 - The modern Hexagonal label.

[ahremck]

AS part of this query I would like to know if Stuart was produced in another colour(s) I have yet to come across.

Photo #1 - Blue Woodchester jug - was there a colour name for this eg. Sapphire, Topaz or Aquamarine?

Photo #2 - Green tall comport

Photo #3 - Amber dessert in Stratford pattern

Photo #4 - a painted decoration on a vase.  has a type #7 marking.

Ross

[Paul S.]

wish you luck with this project Ross  -  not going to be easy dating these backstamps/labels accurately  -  like other factories I get the impression there was much overlap in the period of use.            Some of the Stuart registered designs and their corresponding Nos. were long lived, so no help there I don't think.

Regret I can't help specifically, but just wanted to add to your misery by commenting that there is at least one more backstamp variant that you appear not to have included.
I'm attaching pix of a pickle that has a backstamp produced with an italicised font, plus the Rd. No. 682593, which was first Registered on 2nd May 1921.            As you can see, the pickle has been produced in 'Stratford Rings' pattern, and according to my books 1921 was the year of introduction of this particular pattern  -  apparently it was a pattern which remained in production for one of the longest known periods, ending life somewhere in the 1970's I believe.
Just to confuse matters further, my books suggest that the word Stuart (with large squiggley tail) was first Registered in 1924, and was first used on glass c. 1926.
So, is this pickle evidence that this italicised mark was used prior to 1926, do you think - and is therefore the first ever acid backstamp used by Stuart?             
Despite having seen vast amounts of Stuart glass both with and without backstamps, this remains the only example of this particular style of backstamp that I've ever seen.
You'll notice that the mark doesn't include a possessive apostrophe, which makes the final 's' all the more cuirous.

Do you consider any of the text book information on dating these backstamps/marks to be reliable enough to use for dating?

Sorry if you've already answered this question, but do we know the whereabouts of the factory papers/archives?
           

[Bernard C]

Ross — Don't forget the "S" and "=S=" Stonier marks.   Next to me, I have a pair of fabulous Deco Stuart Stonier dessert dishes with integral saucers, ring moulded, carrying the marks "Rd 681649" and "=S=".   What memories they must have of travelling the oceans.   If you listen carefully to them you can faintly hear the sea.   Easily the most romantic glass ever.

Very occasionally you come across Stuart pieces in amethyst from the '20s and later.   Also they may have used black (true black) in a limited way on objects like Deco cocktail glass feet, like some other glassworks.

Bernard C. 

[keith]

Here's another,late production I presume, on a whiskey tumbler,

[Lustrousstone]

What memories they must have of travelling the oceans.

Yes, BUT, Stoniers was also a Liverpool department store, so not all it would have travelled the ocean

[KevinH]

Ross, although I cannot give an accurate start or end date for your photo #7 mark, I have that one on a commemorative vase for the coronation of George VI and Elizabeth (12 May 1937).

I have no idea when the commemorative items would have first been produced, following the abdication of Edward VIII, but clearly it would have been sometime after 11 December 1936.

[keith]

2001 for this one....

[ahremck]

Thanks to all for the replies so far.  It is so frustrating because despite years of looking I have only ever come across one catalog - which is in Yobunny.  I estimated it to be c. 1964.  It is available only because a close friend actually owns it and was happy to have me put it up where others can see it.

Ross