Topic: Alabaster? Cranberry cup? ID = Schachtenbach Hütte

[kendrav]

Please forgive me for my lack of knowledge.
Can anyone tell me anything about this cup?

Thank you!!!

[Lustrousstone]

It's a rohmer (roemer, römer) and I believe it was made by Schachtenbach Hütte in 1860-1880. I have its brother http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=721

[kendrav]

WOW, you do have his brother!!!  Mine is cranberry?

O, and You Rock!!!!

[Ekimp]

I have been looking at my Römer again (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,68836.msg383112.html#msg383112) that is the same sort of shape. Is there a reference for similar Schachtenbach Hütte Römers as I haven’t found one except for Lustrousstone’s and Kendrav’s (which is also now on worthpoint).

I notice the stem on Kendrav’s glass is actually different from Lustrousstone’s as it has two plain sections of stem below the bowl, the top section also being tapered. Lustrousstone’s glass has one plain section of parallel stem.

I was wondering if Lustrousstones’s glass is definitely Schachtenbach Hütte or if it might actually be Theresienthal as it looks to match Theresienthal shapes R.2, R.6 or R.7 (which are all much alike) in the c.1840 catalogue (catalogue link at end). Here are some later Theresienthal ‘Trompetenfußrömer’ (trumpet foot Römer) for comparison: http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/historismusvar.html . If you scroll down there are three in a row that are similar, dated to around 1900.

As for the colour, here is a Theresienthal Römer with a foot/stem like Lustrousstone’s but with a lily shape bowl: http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/buch4b.html. The foot/stem is alabaster glass and the bowl uranium. Very similar/identical forms can be seen in the c.1840 catalogue (C.R.6, C.R No.1 or C.R.2)

Theresienthal c.1840 catalogue is available for free download from the Corning Museum website here: https://www.cmog.org/library/crystall-glas-fabrik-theresienthal?search=library_collection%3A6070da353a80f845b900ea43d436b700&page=5

[flying free]

 

I have some of these.

There is info here on Pressglas-korrespondenz
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2009-4w-haller-theresienthal-lilienroemer.pdf
Stephan talks about beinglas which I think means it should glow orange in light.  Mine have what I believe is an alabasterglas foot.  i.e. white but not made with calcined bones.  They don't glow orange.
So I had been wondering if mine were a later incarnation.

I hadn't seen the Corning catalogues though - thank you for that!
But looking at that 1840 cat now  I could not match the two hoops on the top of the stem of mine to any of the examples in the catalogue.

So I am wondering if mine are a later date.  Will have to do some more searching later.

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[Ekimp]

Thanks for the link. Was a bit confused by ‘leg glasses’ from google translate but worked it out So it sounds like Schachtenbach and Theresienthal used both Beingläser and Alabaster, initially Beingläser. It would be interesting to see catalogued Schachtenbach römers.

Some of the rings (hoops?) under the bowl look to be ‘v’ shaped in the catalogue, some rounded like the ones in this thread and in the other Theresienthal links. There must be other missing catalogues with slightly different designs. Seems like there’s a good possibility at least Lustrousstone’s example is Theresienthal.

I found the catalogue thanks to a link from Anne in your pink jug thread. There are several catalogues on the cmog if you search the library and select ‘trade catalogs’. https://www.cmog.org/research/library-search?f%5B0%5D=sm_field_library_format%3ATrade%20Catalogs&f%5B1%5D=bs_full_text%3A1

[flying free]

I've just had another look at the Meyr's catalogue thanks to your prompt.
There is a Roemer in there very similar to mine in bowl shape and with the neck collar design similar to those of the red cup white opaline glass foot genre.  It's not the same as mine as mine seems to have a convex piece of glass between the already convex ring above and below on the neck collar.  This one the glass is straight in between the convex rings.
And no 263 seems to say red cup white foot.  However I never know whether they mean white as in clear glass or white as in white glass.

[flying free]

Uwe Wolf has these as from Schachtenbach c.1880.
I think the bowl design is slightly different to Christine's , which doesn't mean it isn't from Schachtenbach, but just that every time I compare these there are always slight differences, either in bowl shape or stem design. 

https://p14064.typo3server.info/6_Roemer_mit_Urangla.292+B6YmFja1BJRD0yOTImcHJvZHVjdElEPTcxNjUmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MjkyJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

For example I think the cup shape of the green ones are different to the cup shape of these ruby ones :
https://p14064.typo3server.info/6_Roemer_mit_Rubingl.292+B6YmFja1BJRD0yOTImcHJvZHVjdElEPTQyODAmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MjkyJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

[Ekimp]

Yes, and it’s not easy comparing photos from different angles with different perspective and then trying to match that to a line drawing in a catalogue.

[flying free]

more here - second half 19th century Josephinenhutte
Lit: Stefania Zelasko, Josephinenhütte 1942-1900, Seite 137, Abb 40.
https://antikes-glas.de/josephinenhuette/roemer-umsponnenen-fuss-rosalinfarbene-kuppa-josephinenhuette-p-2377.html



and a uranium glass version also from Josephinenhutte
https://antikes-glas.de/josephinenhuette/roemer-umsponnenen-fuss-uranhaltiger-kuppa-josephinenhuette-19jh-p-2376.html