Topic: British? Victorian Threaded vase

[Sendhandfran]

This could be from Stourbridge area but I'm not certain.
Any help?

[Capitalartglass]

Hi just a guess but maybe Italian?? I have a Murano basket with the same rigaree 

[Sendhandfran]

Thank capitalartglass,
Italian! I never even considered that, lol.
I found one similar, but with a fatter body, described as by Lutz.
I also read, somewhere, that threaded glass was made a lot in England after the invention of a threading machine.

[Lustrousstone]

Not Italian or Loetz (!); almost certainly English, but I doubt you'll find a manufacturer

[Paul S.]

quite right  -  and here's another pair found recently in a charity shop.         The exact same colourway and design is shown in Gulliver - page 113 - and dated to c. 1880.
They usaully have a rough snapped pontil scar Fran.

[Sendhandfran]

Thanks everyone.
Wow, nice charity shop find Paul.
It does have a burned broken pontil.
I thought most likely English:)

[Bernard C]

I've another, same colourway and approximate size, clear rigaree trail about 2" down from the rim, but a footed flute shape, which I've labelled as Stourbridge, c. 1880 from Gulliver.   There must be some twenty or thirty examples of fine machine threading in Gulliver, few of which are attributed to a specific manufacturer.   It's an essential reference for this decorative technique.   Perhaps I should say "Greater Stourbridge", as I've recently found evidence that John Walsh Walsh of Birmingham did fine machine threading, which I suspected but couldn't prove before, and will come as no surprise to anyone.

Bernard C. 

[Paul S.]

Worth mentioning here, for those who may have an interest in the process and history of machine threading, that there's a fairly substantial write up on this subject in Charles Hajdamach's first book 'British Glass 1800 - 1914'  -  chapter 12 'Patents & Techniques'.
In this respect, these volumes from Gulliver and Hajdamach are complimentary  -  the latter providing much historical text and photos of machines etc., whilst Gulliver provides high quality pix and specifications of the end result.
Fran's comment about the colour of the pontil scar seems to show that this discolouration is probably not uncommon  -  one of the above pair has a sort of dirt encrusted scar.

Charles Hajdamach's book, for those who collect C19 glass, is another essential volume, and very good value for money.   

[Lustrousstone]

The black on pontil marks is carbony rubbish from the end of the pontil rod

[Paul S.]

thanks for the explanation.