Topic: Repair to champagne glass?

[oldglassman]

 Hi ,
           Readers of this thread may be interested in this eBay listing,
  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380912975201?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

   cheers ,
              Peter.

[flying free]

  that just looks plain weird to me.
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[Paul S.]

As Peter will know, there are some seriously valuable drinking glasses that are 'double ended' - I don't know whether they started in Germany, but they seem to have been around since at least the C17 - perhaps Peter has one to show.
Understandably, the Board's policy is that we don't comment on live ebay listings - at least not critically - other than to say that in principle the design has been around for a long time, and those people who do buy such pieces are astute.               

[oldglassman]

Hi ,
         Not sure about seriously valuable but suppose that depends on each ones level of spending ,low hundreds should get you a nice 18th c English example,the most frequently encountered double bowled glasses are commonly called double ended drams though I am unsure if there is any evidence to support this , maybe they were for doses of medicine who knows!!,these types are regarded as English and from around the middle of the 18th c ,personally I have never seen a 17th c one or one which may have come from Germany though that's not to say they dont exist ,they may well do.Another feature of these glasses is that most are deceptive to some degree,again the question arises , why ??,

 Importantly though is how they were made,a genuine 18th c double bowled glass will have a pontil mark inside and at the base of one of the bowls,the only the way they can be made if both bowls are to have fire polished rims ,bowl one is blown as a bubble with or without the little stem part at the end,a second bubble is blow again with or without the little stem extruded,this second bubble is attached to the base of the first bubble,the first bubble is cracked of the blowing iron leaving the second bubble with stem and cracked off bubble at the other end, this cracked off end can then be shaped to the finished bowl and fire polished,a punty rod is then attached to the inside of the first bubble after fire polishing allowing the second bubble to be cracked off the other blowing iron this allows the whole thing then to be held by the punty rod inside the first bubble , the second bubble can then be finished to the required shape and size then fire polished,punty rod is then cracked off and hey presto a double ended glass .(sorry it's a bit long winded).

although I have never seen one i suppose it is possible to find a double bowled glass with flat ground rims,which I would  assume to be continental and made differently to English ones

Anything that has 2 fire polished rims ,no pontil mark in either bowl,and with a hot weld in the stem I would say is not original.and more likely to be 2 broken glasses stuck together for some fun .

Attached are a couple of mine with the pontil mark inside at the base of the bowl .

cheers ,
             Peter.

 

[bat20]

Thanks Peter very interesting,very nice pieces of glass and i haven't seen them before in the real or in a book yet,you don't think they may have been egg cups?especially if one bowl is slightly different from the other because i doubt eggs were graded like they are now, just a thought.

[oldglassman]

 Hi ,
          Nice thought but unlikely I think , glass egg cups seem fairly well documented and have there own form. I think some of the double bowled glasses I have seen would be a little unstable whilst attacking an egg ,see Bickerton for an illustration ,No 810, described as a dram glass with a single and a double measure,for that glass a double dram would fit but not all have bowls that are so conveniently different ,that gives me an excuse to play with mine to measure the capacities of each bowl ,

watch this space , maybe this could be diverted to its own thread if that would be more appropriate 

cheers ,
             Peter.

[flying free]

yes please, could we divert to it's own 'double ended glasses' thread?
and
'Understandably, the Board's policy is that we don't comment on live ebay listings - at least not critically -...'
May I just clarify, is that the board policy?
I have no problem having my comment deleted if it is. 
However, I was merely making an observation.  I didn't make a critical comment
I would have liked to expand my comment to explain why I though it was 'weird' but decided not to just in case policy was that we shouldn't comment on live listings (I couldn't remember from the last time this happened, whether it was policy or not).  And I would like further elucidation on the glass that Peter linked to if it's not

With regard not commenting critically on live listings, does that include not commenting when something is listed as being a maker it is not?
I often see threads on the paperweight boards that expose a paperweight as being listed by a maker other than whom it really has been made by (often when a weight is listed as something more valuable).
m

[Paul S.]

hello m  -  I was remembering some comments from Kevin in recent months, where the Mods. had made some alteration or removed certain references to ebay descriptions/sellers, or similar.

[flying free]

yes I remember also - but I think the outcome was that it was not board policy.
Obviously I would hope not to derail anyones listings, I recognise that careful commentary is necessary. 
However it does stick in the craw when I see listings fancifully described as something they are not, and then selling for big money to some poor unsuspecting buyer. 
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[Paul S.]

precisely the point, I think, why we steer clear of criticism - it would open the flood gates.   
Like you, I sometimes seethe over the misdescriptions and downright deliberate misleading use of word association to hike the price for unsuspecting buyers  -  and the site doesn't appear remotely interested in correcting this situation.
I think it's a road we simply daren't go down, however much we'd like to.