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Author Topic: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?  (Read 2885 times)

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Offline Jeffingtons

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Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« on: May 29, 2014, 05:54:50 PM »
Hi all

Picked up this old cut glass pedestal dish today.  Wondering what age it might be. Victorian? Georgian?

Also would like to know it's probable use and where it might have come from.

Has a beautifully polished pontil, some age related wear around the edge of the base and a lovely crisp ring when tapped with a finger nail.

Any insights appreciated with much thanks.  It's outside my usual buying area

Thanks

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 06:08:37 PM »
Size would help but it's probably a sugar bowl. Bonbonieres and sweetmeat dishes are usually almost flat because the goodies need to be displayed and to be picked up and this is too deep

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 07:07:57 PM »
I would agree, almost certainly a sugar basin  -  and date wise probably around the last decade or so of the C19, so definitely Victorian, but could be a tad later.       Georgian sugar bowls were more delicate, because they were blown and not pressed, and usually coloured or opalescent and often with folded feet, and with inscriptions such as 'Be canny with the Sugar' and 'Peace and Plenty'.         Presumably the late C19 examples would have contained granulated sugar, whereas the earlier pieces might have contained lumps only  -  but I'm not sure when sugar in granules became the norm - anyone know??

The Michael Parkinton sales catalogues contain some very attractive coloured early C19 examples (mostly with pedestals)  -  whereas the S. & F. catalogues include shed loads of the later pressed sort, again mostly with pedestals, and many of these have highly ornate pressed designs.     Plain Victorian basins seem often to have been decorated with bands of cut olives and hollows, like yours.
It seems that the majority of the later pressed basins did not have lids, and presumably none of the earlier sort had lids.

Victorian sugar basins can be confused with comports, which were nearly as common as the basins  -  the difference being that basins were of a size not varying much from your example, whereas comports had bowls of only half the depth and more gently sloping sides, plus their diameter was usually greater than that of sugar basins.

I'll try and post some pix of Georgian and Victorian shapes.

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 07:30:27 PM »
Thanks both. Very interesting. Victorian sugar bowl is a dandy result.  Only bought it because it was a couple of quid and I had a hunch it had age. There were a couple of other things in the same shop I also thought had age but they were less visually appealing or damaged so I left them behind.

Sizewise, it's about 14cm tall, depth of bowl just under half that. Bowl diameter 12.5cm. 

PS.  I have no idea if granulated sugar commonly used in the 19th century. I thought it was all sugar lumps.

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 07:45:44 PM »
That's a bit small for a sugar bowl, so more likely a dessert bowl

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2014, 08:19:47 PM »
if you look at pedestal pattern pressed sugars in S. & F., heights are quoted at anything from 4.75" to 6"  -  c. 120 - 155 mm  -  and although this bowl diameter is toward the smaller end of the scale, it does make the grade, just.         I think this piece could be either, but it does meet the size criteria for a sugar basin.

Said catalogue doesn't seem to include such items as dessert bowls ???  -  are they a post WW II invention??

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2014, 09:16:34 PM »
This one isn't pressed... but yes you're right it's a sugar. The 1885 Sowerby catalogue has pages of pedestal sugars but nothing called a dessert dish. Quite a lot of their sugars had lids too.

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 05:46:35 AM »
If it's a dessert dish, it's for someone with a bigger appetite than me.

On another note, is the suggestion that it might be Sowerby then? Or is that just a ref to the discussion about sugars and desserts? I thought they only did pressed glass.

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 06:21:22 AM »
No its not Sowerby, but they did do some simple cut and engraved glass late 19th C/early 20th

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Re: Old cut glass comport? Bonbon? Sweetmeat dish?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 07:19:46 PM »
just a few pix of other sugars.
1...........pressed examples were sometimes decorated with wheel engraving, as shown here with leaves.

2...........couple of what are probably 1820 - 30 bowls - opalescent with pedestal - one bristol blue with foot.

3...........several footed bowls

4...........probably footed sugars  -  one with what appears to be early C19 cutting - the other with geometric machine acid etched abstract design.    Am I correct about the description??  -  seems very complex design.

5...........see next post.

hadn't occurred to me before how similar the shape of some footed sugar bowls are to tea mixing bowls.   The foot has similar proportions to the bowl on both items.      I think the mixing bowls have straight sides and are probably on balance taller than sugars.        All comment received gracefully :)

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