Topic: Old bottle / decanter identification

[MatW]

And another piece I am not sure about: This bottle is 24 cm high with the stopper. It is of non-lead glass. It reminds me of some 17th c glass that I have seen, but I have no idea if it is that old or something else? Any ideas are highly welcome! Mat

[Paul S.]

'Kuttrolfs with raspberry prunts appear to be in the minority when it comes to variants for this type of decanter which, as a type, has a very, very long history.
Designs similar to yours, showing the raspberry prunts and the cog-wheel pattern down each corner, are shown in McConnell's 'Decanter' book  - these are indicated as Aalborg Glasverk c. 1870, and Holmegaard c. 1923  -  both Danish of course.
The drawings in the book show stoppers which also have the prunts, although notice yours doesn't, and there's always the chance your stopper might be a replacement - I'm not suggesting it is, but simply saying that the examples I'm looking at do have them.

Just possible that the Aalborg glassworks made these things more commonly in the C19, copying the German standard form, and adding the prunts for decoration  -  although apparently the Romans were knocking them out long before that
Am I correct in thinking that Holmegaard examples are more common from the C20 - I'm really not sure.

Wouldn't like to make an attribution closer than these two Danish factories, but at least gives you a direction to look in.    Perhaps Ivo is able to add something more useful than my comments.

Ref.  'The Decanter - An Illustrated History of Glass from 1650'  -  Andy McConnell  -  2004.

[Ivo]

Not around my library right now but i think harder.net would reveal a lot. These glug-glug bottles were made in Germany and in Denmark by various, glassworks not just the one mentioned. The redesigned holmegaard version is well known - but this is a 19th ct. Product.

[ahremck]

I agree with Ivo's suggestion that you try www.hardernet.dk who will probably be able to help if it is Danish.

Ross

[MatW]

Thank you all for your help! 
I think Paul S. is right and after some searching I think this one must be from Aalborg and late C 19. The stobber may be a replacement, as I also found only  examples with stoppers that are decorated in the same manner as the bottle.  Here is a link to what I believe is the best match: http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/index.php/Glashistorisk-Museum/Karafler-og-Klukflasker/Klukflasker/Klukflaske-1890-2079#joomimg . 
Mat

[chopin-liszt]

I have a copy of a booklet; "Danish Glass 1814-1914; The Peter F. Heering Collection", published by the Royal Scottish Museum, 1975.

In it, there is a photo of a decanter just exactly like this - except the stopper has prunts on it too and it sits much higher in the neck than this one does. It is attributed to Aalberg Glassworks (1852-1910).

All the raspberry (the same) prunts are in the same places, the ribbing is the same, the partial casing is evident. This one and and the bottle in the picture surely must be related - there is too much in common for it to be by somebody else, I would think.

Obviously I cannot post images from the booklet, but I could photograph them and send them (privately) to anybody who wants to check the similarities.

[MatW]

Hi chopin liszt, it would be great if you could send me a photo of the piece in your booklet, so that I could compare it to my decanter, of course only if that is easy for you!  Mat

[chopin-liszt]

You'd best send me a message, via the envelope in my profile. I can't attach pics to a message I send you from here, I need your email address. I've taken the pics.
It would be good for you to see them  - that way you'll know what the stopper should be like.