Topic: ID Help for Goblet

[tonyatl]

I have a very attractive goblet which its original collector from the 1920s/30s attributed to baccarat. Is this reasonable? It is an extremely dark glass - perhaps black - with richly molded gothic devices surrounded by subtly textured glass wall. At the time, the collector claimed only 2 were known. Any idea of age? what key words - and please don't say goblet or baccarat goblet - would best locate comparable items - eg a pattern name?

the goblet is quite hefty for its size, leading me to believe that perhaps this is crystal, but have no convictions about it.

ps - upon further inspection, it appears that the relief devices may be applied. still studying....

[Ivo]

Around 1840/60 there were at least three makers of similar neogothic wares, using black or dark red opaque glass.   One of these was Baccarat, the other Saint Louis and the third one Louis Zoude in Namur, Belgium. These items have been reproduced by Stiver in Italy since the 1960s and by Ivima in Portugal.  The question if you have an original or a copy can only be answered by handling it. If you have a provenance of 90 years it may be OK.  I have a salt cellar in this pattern with provenance and it has damage commensurate with its age - yours does not seem to have any.
The item is pressed, no decoration was applied.

[tonyatl]

I am satisfied with provenance. the collector died in the 1930s, and the goblet has her original paper hand written identification tag made in the period stated. I also have several other of her goblets, all of which are indeed 19th c, including a few which date to the period you give for these wares, which offers consistency in the composition of the collection.

although the condition is above average, there are 2 small punctures - and I do not mean ordinary chips - on the base which I thought were manufacturing artifacts, and a 3d small puncture or nip on the rim. otherwise the piece is pristine.

finally, there are no signatures, the application of which baccarat did not start until 1860, leaving baccarat still in the running.

given that the collector identified this as baccarat about 90 years ago or so, that its provenance seems assured, and that your information coincides with the goblet's nature, I don't see any reason to question its attribution as baccarat until something substantive disproves it.

thank you for the information.