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Author Topic: Red vase with blue feet  (Read 1327 times)

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Offline rachnathanking

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Red vase with blue feet
« on: August 13, 2014, 09:46:27 AM »
Once again I ask for your help.

This measures approx 6.5" high and the opening is 2" wide.

Please help me identify this pretty glass.

Thank you!

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2014, 12:53:35 PM »
Quite possibly Czech and from the 1920s or 30s, those tripod legs are really distinctive. Welz made similar but I bet they were not the only company. Often two colour items from this era get described as Tango, not sure if this is technically correct but it may be a useful search term.

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2014, 11:36:42 PM »
Czech Tango it is.  I am not sure who by though. The tripod legs/feet are a little crude for the Welz production I have identified....  Pretty piece though....

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 06:05:32 AM »
It reminds me of this, which I understand to be Kralik. These are quite crudely made and also come in the red/blue combination
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1218

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 09:01:08 AM »
Any actual evidence they were made by Kralik? I did not find any in my brief research over this lot, entry in the Butler Brothers catalogue does not prove any particular maker as far as I can tell.

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 03:00:28 PM »
Kralik is certainly a possibility.

As far as Christine's and Johns examples go, they are believed to be by Kralik. In the US we have a distinct advantage for ID which UK collectors generally do not have, and that is import marks. The examples shown above in the pics can be found in the US with an arched Czechoslovakia mark on them, which is a mark used by Kralik.

As far as Butler Brothers go......  Butler never identified the source of the art glass "assortments" offered in their catalogs.  At least one of the Monographs published by the West Virgina Museum of Glass regarding Butler states in the preface that it is known that the assortments often shipped to the retailer in factory packed barrels, and as a result of that, the identification of a piece of glass in an assortment actually allows for the assortment to be attributed as to maker.  Following that idea, I have actually spent a number of years  working on Butler catalogs and the ID of assortments to see if it holds true for Czech imports.  My process has been to match actual glass examples to the line art in Butlers ads.  It turns out that the line art in Butler ads is actually reasonably accurate for the ID of glass items.

Here is a preview of some examples of match ups.  The Butler images are reproduced from the West Virginia Museum of Glass Monographs with the express permission of the Museum. Eventually this information will be posted in detail on my website.

In the case of the last group, I have matched a basket with a unique decor to a Butler ad, and then matched more pieces in the same unique decor to show a partial decor family.

On a side note to the groups..... since they were shipped in factory barrels, and had to arrive in the US with country of origin stamps on each piece of glass, these groups and their packing and shipping methods also provide reasonably strong support for the belief that marks were applied by glass houses, and not by "exporters".

Hope this helps.

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 03:54:26 PM »
Hmmm. Might just be my eyes. But ...

In the pics that Craig has shown, and also in those shown on Craig's website (linked to by John) all of the items with those types of "legs & feet" are stood neatly on the tip, or the outer edge of the foot.

The item being discussed looks to me to be standing on distinctly flattened feet. And the form of the legs and feet also seem to be less "controlled".

As I say, it may just be the way I see things. What do you other folk think?
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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 04:13:15 PM »
I agree.....

The feet/legs on this example, at least to me, are quite "Heavy" in execution.  Which could mean a different house.... or just a less skilled gaffer...... 

Unfortunately the color combination is likely a universal combination likely made by just about every Czech glass house.
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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 07:32:12 PM »
Lovely to see them in relation to the BB catalogue photos, that really brings them to life.  I can not quite imagine having to order them without  seeing the colours, a description is not enough...

I had missed the semicircular Cz marks, that is interesting and the factory groupings, thanks Craig, it all helps to build the picture. Very handy.

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Re: Please identify this glass - help!!
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 08:07:02 PM »
The other option might be that OP's is relatively modern. There seems to be a plethora of "tango" glass everywhere you look, usually in a simple flared design with a slightly bulbous band and some sort of coloured spiral. They seem too common to be old. Perhaps this is from the same place.

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