Topic: Arts and crafts tumbler?

[bat20]

Hi all,this piece is very light,wrythen moulded pushed in on four sides and with a wide polished Pontil ,it's 11.5 cm ht,7 wd,I guess it could be anyone but just in case anyone recognises it?thanks.

[bat20]

As an update I've just found some very similar glasses on the art of glass site described as Walsh Walsh 1930,looks like a shoe in to me.

[Lustrousstone]

Are they lead crystal?

[bat20]

It's the brittle "ping,ping" ring again Christine.

[Paul S.]

some pieces have a tendency to resonate (ring) due to their hollow shape, rather than because of their lead content  -  tumblers may well be an example of this.            A real lead glass ring is something quite special and is probably more than just a ping.

I've had a look in Reynolds book - page 32 top picture - at what he describes as - 'Wine service with sham-flute twist, tumblers marked Walsh'  -
and the tumblers do look very much like yours - with waisted and indented body and flared rim.         
I'm inclined to think his aren't quite so waisted nor do they have quite the flared rim, as yours, and yours are possibly taller, but these book tumblers may well be the same as those you have found on the screen.            Regret I'm unsure as to whether a 'sham flute-twist is the same as wrythen  -  somehow don't think it is  -  I always thought wrythen decoration was a substantial twist.
My own opinion is there isn't a real match here, but could be wrong - but at least you may be in the right period.

Apparently the Romans made what are called dented beakers and which Powell copied in the early years of the C20 - he also used this 'dent' on a number of his designs, although he wasn't the first in modern times to do so...........  the same decorative feature appears on much art nouveau Continental glass - on into the arts and crafts years and apparently pops up in the 1930's too.
These thin clear pieces remind me of Philip Webb's drinking glasses and water jugs that he designed for Morris  -  they look as though they'd break if you just looked at them.

[bat20]

Thanks for all that Paul,this is my first brush with this type of glass and it's been very useful in so much as I've seen it advertised as Webb designed for whitefriars ,at fairly high prices,even if a lot of it probably isn't.Your right in saying it has a delicate look to it,it feels it as well,but I must say it's very comfortable in the hand and I do like the aesthetic having had a good look around at similar pieces,moving on to the wrythen your probably right,maybe "slow twist"is a better description and as to the ring I have a personal list of adjectives I use for the feel,sound etc which means nothing to anyone trying desperately to understand my posts,it does have a ring but not along confident one,I did start flicking good glass in antique shops to get to know the different sounds but have now stopped after a seller of some very posh glass expression changed in an instant,from one of benign hopefulness,to slight confusion and just a flicker of fear I thought.

[Lustrousstone]

I would expect a good long ring if they were Walsh, even on a tumbler. The quality of the metal doesn't look great either.

[bat20]

Thanks very much you two,learnt loads from this glass and well worth the £1.00.

[Paul S.]

glass can be frustrating so often  -  especially when lacking provenance as with this piece, and the best we can expect is to hopefully nail it down to a period  -  which is why it's useful to know how to recognize nouveau, deco, modernism, post modernism .................   and when you do know, please tell me

quote  ..........."I've seen it advertised as Webb designed for whitefriars" -  presumably you're speaking of Philip?  -  and not Thomas

Can't go wrong with that price!

When it's present (so often it's missing entirely), the Walsh backstamp is sometimes feint and can be difficult to find.