Topic: Ruby cut to clear overlay goblet - 19thC glass? and what country

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After I posted another topic about a blue overlay jug in what I think is the same pattern, my goblet arrived.
I've posted three sets of photos.
It's old, but how old is the question.  Bubbles and tiny specks in the glass.
The bowl is 3 1/8" diameter at the rim and the foot is wider at 3 3/8"
The rim is very thick, cut and bevelled on both sides.
The foot is even thicker also cut and bevelled.  The ruby overlay on the foot is cut in petal but the overlay is on the base of the foot not on top of the foot.
It's immaculately made so that you cannot see the join between bowl and stem or between stem and foot.  It looks as though it was made entirely from one piece of glass.
The overlay pattern where the base of the bowl joins the foot is horseshoe shaped pattern, but doesn't show in the pieces because of reflections and the glass is so thick the paper wouldn't sit down any further in the bowl
It's a heavy piece.
Terrible photo, so I'm very happy with what's arrived.  But would love to know where it was made 
I've already done quite a lot of searching on Sandwich overlay glass as I thought it might be American (could only see a view from the top so had to guess the stem and pattern lol).
Please, any help much appreciated
Sorry for so many photos
m

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more pics

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I don't think it's my imagination, my goblet appears to fit stylistically and colour wise with the stoppered decanter jug/vinaigrette? in the middle of this trio in the Sandwich Glass museum.  It is labelled as c.18--

http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sandwich-19-a.jpg
that picture comes from this site
http://www.peachridgeglass.com/2014/06/my-visit-to-the-sandwich-glass-museum/


m

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The cut is a match with this one too: http://rgantiques.com/Cobalt_Overlay_Pitcher.html

I see from the other thread you have already spotted this!

John

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yes and this one was listed on the auction site as Boston and Sandwich 3rd quarter 19th century.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marvelous-19th-C-Boston-Sandwich-Cut-Overlay-Glass-Pitcher-w-Ribbon-Handle-/231086504120?nma=true&si=P36r%252FDpjRgtzlkNhNBSsqD5mrmQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

It appears to have some executional and stylistic similarities particularly in the handle.
However, the blue is listed as 'possibly Sandwich' and the white, whilst listed as Boston and Sandwich for $595 and removed as 'this listing has ended as the item is no longer available', is also an auction site listing and has no primary source reference. 
I hope someone with great knowledge of Sandwich glass comes along 
Nice to talk again.
m

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ah,have found a base shot of this cologne showing the foot.
It is cut in the same way as my goblet right the way across but it also has a star cut in the middle of the full width cuts.

http://www.historicalglass.com/node/3490
described in the auction as:
CUT OVERLAY TALL COLONGE; EX BARLOW

'Lot Number:  37
 11 3/8” h., Blue and clear, lead glass, elongated, slender, conical shape neck design, flaring out into a drawn circular base or central body, covered with circles in a cut overlay motif, reinforced with a cut ring around the neck, the lip is cut to a six point, star cut base; Sandwich Glass Works, Sandwich, Mass., c.1850, sparkling mint condition. Pictured on page 131, no. 3146, The Glass Industry in Sandwich by Barlow & Kaiser This cologne is usually found in amethyst and ruby, (pictured in amethyst) and is extremely rare in blue; ex. Saxe coll.'

http://www.historicalglass.com/taxonomy/term/12?page=1
Feeling even more hopeful now 
m

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The star cut on my goblet can be seen on two of the perfume bottles here.

http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sandwich-28-a.jpg

and I think it has some similarities with this as well
http://journalofantiques.com/2013/features/rarities-from-the-new-bedford-museum-of-glass/attachment/2000-082-lloyd-clean/
if you scroll down the page there is information on this goblet here
http://journalofantiques.com/2013/features/rarities-from-the-new-bedford-museum-of-glass/

And as I said before it seems to match in colour and some of the stylistic devices, with the stoppered jug/vinaigrette piece in this photo.
http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sandwich-19-a.jpg
It appears from that photo above from the museum, that there were two colours used, a brighter red/ruby and the softer cranberry colour of mine which seems to match the vinaigrette.

I feel I'm on the right track so have sent an email to the Sandwich Glass Museum curator asking for help.  I hope they do get back to me
m

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Found this listed as 'probably Richardson's' in Broadfield House collection, cited as from 'The Brierley Hill collection'.

http://blackcountryhistory.org/collections/getrecord/DMUSE_BH154/

Think it is possibly a Boston and Sandwich Glass cologne instead.
see here for what I think are the same overlay decanter or colognes


http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sandwich-29-a.jpg

http://www.peachridgeglass.com/2014/06/my-visit-to-the-sandwich-glass-museum/
m

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There is an interesting piece in the Corning
Louis Vaupel New England Glass company engraved goblet.
The stem is the other way up to mine but it's ruby over clear and the stem has similar proportions to mine i.e. quite broad on the goblet.
Says it is 1875-1880
http://www.cutglass.org/articles/art142.htm

Kristi put a photo up on here of the real thing.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=621&pos=30

I think I'm in the right part of the world.
I can find nothing remotely similar under Bohemian and it doesn't feel right for that to me.  That transparent ruby over clear would be much earlier time period in Bohemian glass and the foot/stem etc doesn't feel right

[Ivo]

Sorry I do not have much to contribute to this discussion but I would say it is cranberry rather than ruby - which I have never seen in Bohemian overlay glass.